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13:34:41 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:37:11 <jeanne> present:
13:37:11 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
13:37:11 <jeanne> present+
13:37:11 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
13:37:11 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:37:12 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:37:12 <jeanne> q?
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13:50:46 <jeanne> agenda+ Silver Task Force Migration
13:50:59 <jeanne> agenda+ SC migration and categorization
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13:53:39 <Lauriat> agenda?
13:53:50 <Lauriat> Present+
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14:03:41 <Lauriat> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List
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14:04:24 <SuzanneTaylor> present+
14:04:39 <Jem> present+ jaeunjemmaku
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14:05:54 <SuzanneTaylor> scribe: SuzanneTaylor
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14:06:20 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up item 1
14:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Silver Task Force Migration -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:06:44 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: merge with AGWG
14:06:51 <jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGDMEAuB2CM8FgrI8FoSJeLMcVvQhWuTtLiyNH4RZIY/edit#
14:07:03 <SuzanneTaylor> ... this is an early draft of what the transition will look like
14:07:06 <jeanne> Silver Task Force Transition Draft -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGDMEAuB2CM8FgrI8FoSJeLMcVvQhWuTtLiyNH4RZIY/edit#
14:07:49 <SuzanneTaylor> ... The plan right now is that the Silver TF will end at the end of this charter and we expect this charter to expire in Oct
14:07:58 <SuzanneTaylor> ... (the dates may slide)
14:08:17 <SuzanneTaylor> ... What are our goals between now and October
14:08:38 <SuzanneTaylor> ... The chairs have suggested a review of the content for silver in advance of TPAC
14:08:41 <Rachael> q+
14:09:05 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:09:15 <SuzanneTaylor> ... thoughts on what we should do as the TF comes to completion
14:09:34 <sarahhorton> q+
14:09:47 <Lauriat> My understanding: the TF ends, the work continues, so more of an organizational thing.
14:09:49 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
14:09:59 <SuzanneTaylor> Rachael: Broader goal was a review before AGWG, since that has been a strength of the TF
14:10:09 <Chuck> +1
14:10:16 <SuzanneTaylor> Sarah: Can you clarify what is Silver-related content?
14:10:30 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Perhaps this should change to WCAG 3 related content
14:10:32 <kirkwood> present+
14:10:55 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Is there any particular prototype or proposal that you would like to ensure we complete before Oct
14:11:35 <SuzanneTaylor> ... we have done a lot of work in the last 5 years and worked really hard, so I want to be sure participants have the opportunity to complete work
14:11:40 <Lauriat> q+ to note the continuation of this
14:11:46 <SuzanneTaylor> ... let us know now, or through email
14:12:32 <sarahhorton> q+
14:12:34 <SuzanneTaylor> Shawn: In my understanding of how we are moving forward, this is more of an organizational thing, so the transition in Oct doesn't need to be seen as an ending, since everyone will still be involved
14:12:39 <Lauriat> ack me
14:12:39 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note the continuation of this
14:13:05 <Chuck> q+
14:13:13 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: The Friday time slot will still be used as an AGWG meeting
14:13:19 <Rachael> q+
14:13:22 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
14:13:24 <SuzanneTaylor> ... and we expect this is where a lot of work will get done
14:14:16 <SuzanneTaylor> Sarah: Responding to the previous question, and flipping it to Jeanne and Shawn, as the leaders, are there things you want to ensure we can all bring forward...
14:14:18 <Chuck> I defer my place in queue so that Shawn and Jeanne can answer Sarah's question.
14:14:35 <SuzanneTaylor> ... are there things that might get lost that we should address before the transition
14:15:10 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: I think there older work that we need to make sure is not lost, and I've beening working on this recently, bringing research forward to AGWG
14:15:34 <SuzanneTaylor> ... I feel I will continue to be a resource person for bringing that work forward
14:15:54 <SuzanneTaylor> ... Shawn and I will continue to be editors for WCAG 3 and part of the leadership team
14:16:58 <SuzanneTaylor> ... I happy to do that and I'm hoping that as we integrate, more people will participate, and as they do, I find they generally adopt the vision we have set up within Silver
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14:17:38 <SuzanneTaylor> Sarah: that's great thanks for sharing that. Shawn, do you have anything you would like to share with the group? How we keep the vision in place?
14:18:25 <SuzanneTaylor> Shawn: The biggest thing that you can do is continue to participate as you have. All of you/us collectively have a lot of knowledge and experience and it is extremely helpful to have that institutional knowledge come along for the journey
14:19:16 <SuzanneTaylor> ... iterations and early feedback will help a lot going forward - really project management strategy that we should bring forward
14:20:16 <Lauriat> qv?
14:20:28 <SuzanneTaylor> Chuck: I remember the very first moment that I had an opportunity to be a part of this group, and it has been an honor and pleasure to work with Silver for WCAG 3 - it's been a great ride, and this doesn't end anything - it's a transition that will hopefully bring more energy and support for our work
14:20:41 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
14:20:57 <SuzanneTaylor> ... planning to keep this meeting at this time on Friday mornings
14:20:58 <Poornima> q+
14:21:01 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:21:44 <Chuck> +111111111111111111111111111
14:22:01 <SuzanneTaylor> Rachael: I think part of the reason that Chuck and I stepped into the chair role was to help Silver's work would be not lost. We really appreciate that Shawn and Jeanne are willing to continue as Editors.
14:22:23 <SuzanneTaylor> ... we are going to make a lot decisions at TPAC. If you are able, we really want you there, at TPAC
14:22:54 <SuzanneTaylor> ... this document will be an ongoing conversation, so we are bringing this to you first
14:23:07 <SuzanneTaylor> ... We greatly value the Silver work
14:23:37 <SuzanneTaylor> ... This meeting will likely be for reviewing content before the Tuesday meeting, as well as running exercises
14:23:53 <sarahhorton> q+
14:24:02 <SuzanneTaylor> Shawn: I think I would like to see Tuesday meeting shortened, if it is mainly for decision making
14:24:07 <Lauriat> ack Poornima
14:24:33 <Chuck> q+
14:24:33 <SuzanneTaylor> Poornima: As this meeting becomes AGWG meeting, will this be all WCAG 3, or other topics as well?
14:25:37 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
14:25:40 <SuzanneTaylor> Sarah: I would suggest that through Oct we could: take the structure we've developed, which is unique to WCAG 3, the framework in the editor's draft,
14:25:59 <Rachael> q+ to talk to Sarah's comment
14:26:21 <jeanne> q+ Update and consolidate the Guideline writing process
14:26:32 <jeanne> q+ to say Update and consolidate the Guideline writing process
14:26:37 <SuzanneTaylor> ... if we believe in this, we may want to have some kind of architectural blue print to help all AGWG to see the framework and how they currently work together
14:27:29 <SuzanneTaylor> ... at one point there was an exercise, where I put all of it into a spreadsheet - maybe something like that as a transitional doc
14:27:46 <Rachael> q-
14:28:04 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Thanks, could you find/share the spreadsheet? something on the agenda for TPAC is exactly that, to bring people up to speed on the architecture
14:28:17 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
14:29:00 <SuzanneTaylor> Chuck: to answer Poornima, the AGWG Tuesday meeting will become more focused on WCAG 3, but will still do some WCAG 2 work (maintenance and WCAG to ITC)
14:29:36 <Lauriat> ack jeanne
14:29:36 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say Update and consolidate the Guideline writing process
14:29:58 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: As Sarah was talking, I realized there is something really important that we should do to wrap up the Silve TF phase
14:30:08 <Chuck> agenda?
14:30:14 <SuzanneTaylor> ... we have made a huge contribution in the guideline writing process
14:30:39 <SuzanneTaylor> ... we did updates and tweaks to the process for writing outcomes, methods, tests and guidelines
14:31:11 <SuzanneTaylor> ... all this needs to be pulled together in a package and updated, so that when we start writing guidelines, that work is not lost, particularly because it is a little scattered right now
14:31:28 <SuzanneTaylor> ... would like to propose to the chairs that we have this a main task between now and Oct
14:31:31 <Rachael> +1 to finalizing the writing process. Suggest moving it up
14:31:35 <SuzanneTaylor> ... I have added it under the goals
14:31:39 <Chuck> +1
14:31:41 <Lauriat> q?
14:32:09 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Next item that needs discussion is what will happen to the Silver Community Group
14:32:23 <SuzanneTaylor> ... it has been a huge help and way to gather more talent
14:32:29 <sarahhorton> Functional outcomes document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Vu0ix-d-Qrv1wDZYQhfUX6jICE_bRalypp1rtcie8w/edit#gid=1109648765
14:32:43 <SuzanneTaylor> ... it will continue, now associated with AGWG
14:33:18 <SuzanneTaylor> ... there may be some changes due to W3C roles and permissions, but aside from so small changes, the group will continue and be an on-ramp for new talent
14:33:37 <Lauriat> q?
14:33:48 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
14:33:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- SC migration and categorization -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:33:49 <SuzanneTaylor> As, mentioned Jeanne Shawn will continue as editors and participate in leadership call
14:34:12 <jeanne> SC Migration Assignments -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/
14:34:24 <Rachael> Also thanks to MaryJo for all her work on this spreadsheet organization
14:34:34 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Rachel and I spent several hours on this spreadsheet. I'm happy to say, there are only 4 left.
14:35:11 <Lauriat> q+
14:35:25 <SuzanneTaylor> ... setting up 4 breakout rooms
14:35:35 <Chuck> q+
14:35:59 <SuzanneTaylor> Shawn: should we hold off on Page Break navigation, since it is at risk
14:36:07 <SuzanneTaylor> Chuck: Yes, we should hold off
14:38:07 <Lauriat> ack me
14:54:17 <Poornima> q+
14:54:20 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:54:34 <Lauriat> ack Poornima
14:56:30 <SuzanneTaylor> [Group left to breakout group]
14:56:39 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: How far did 1.2.6 get?
14:57:01 <SuzanneTaylor> Makoto: We are almost done. We are writing 3 subguidelines and we need more time, but are very close to finish
14:57:17 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: We'd like to have this done early next week, can you finish?
14:58:11 <SuzanneTaylor> [group agrees to keep working]
14:58:24 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Next is Character Key Shortcuts?
14:58:53 <SuzanneTaylor> Poornima: We completed first section, but we will complete by Tuesday
14:59:37 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: The last group 1.4.8
14:59:55 <SuzanneTaylor> Mary Jo: We were stalled a bit on functional needs, so didn't get super far
15:00:43 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: the chairs can complete this one
15:01:15 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Congratulations - 7 partials left
15:01:29 <Rachael> Thank you all!!!!!
15:01:49 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
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