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11:55:44 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps CG Teleconference
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12:00:34 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou, QingAn, martin, Xiaoping_Zhao
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12:02:38 <xfq> Topic: Widget
12:02:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-widget/pull/11
12:03:04 <xfq> [Xiaoping shares his screen]
12:03:30 <xfq> xiaoping: there are some comments
12:03:38 <xfq> ... xfq's comments have been resolved
12:03:44 <xfq> ... QingAn has further comments
12:04:12 <xfq> QingAn: maybe we can go through my second comment here
12:04:23 <xfq> ... https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-widget/pull/11#discussion_r926337758
12:04:34 <xfq> xiaoping: I removed the word 'Specification'
12:05:52 <xfq> ... for the Web IDL, we think this part is the same as the MiniApp Page Lifecycle
12:05:58 <xfq> ... nothing widget-specific
12:06:26 <xfq> QingAn: I agree that we remove the word 'Specification'
12:06:49 <xfq> ... I suggest that we move the use cases to the white paper
12:07:03 <xfq> present+ Shaheen
12:08:51 <xfq> QingAn: I still have some questions
12:09:10 <xfq> ... I'm not sure why this scenario is special for widgets
12:09:50 <xfq> ... in MiniApps or web pages, if you click a component @@1
12:10:34 <xfq> [Xiaoping shares a schematic]
12:11:06 <xfq> xiaoping: @@
12:11:10 <xfq> QingAn: I see
12:11:22 <xfq> ... maybe you should add more detailed description
12:11:32 <xfq> ... your content is a little bit too simple
12:12:04 <xfq> ... need to add how to update and how to request new resources from server
12:13:10 <xfq> xiaoping: yes, we can discuss this
12:13:57 <xfq> QingAn: any other comments?
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12:14:47 <xfq> Shaheen: There is a lot of background noise, please mute when you're not speaking.
12:15:25 <xfq> [Debug audio issues]
12:17:11 <martin_> I'll review the specification in detail, for alignment with Packaging and Manifest
12:17:35 <xfq> QingAn: UI Components
12:18:17 <xfq> [martin shares his screen]
12:18:23 <xfq> martin_: we have been discussing a lot about the potential solution for UI components internally
12:18:42 <xfq> ... 1. non-standard DOM/HTML
12:18:53 <xfq> ... 1. standard DOM/HTML
12:19:13 <xfq> ... 3. Vue-like MVVM framework
12:19:30 <xfq> ... avoid 1
12:19:35 <xfq> ... 2 is best for compat
12:19:49 <xfq> ... 3 is what most current impls do
12:20:22 <xfq> ... I haven't said anything in the github repo or the mailing list yet
12:20:33 <xfq> ... because I'd like to discuss it with you first
12:21:24 <xfq> ... a miniapp component may be implemented as a miniapp (mvvm) compoentn or a web component
12:21:51 <xfq> ... it can use miniapp APIs or existing web APIs
12:22:15 <xfq> s/may be/MAY be/
12:23:21 <xfq> ... could this be feasible?
12:23:53 <xfq> ... the main objective is to get consensus of the group
12:24:55 <xfq> ... I think we can document this in a note
12:24:59 <xfq> ... it's more flexible
12:25:17 <xfq> ... help miniapp developers understand how to use existing miniapp components
12:26:24 <xfq> QingAn: is it ok for miniapp vendors implement or one of these two modes?
12:26:51 <xfq> martin: yes, implementing both is also ok
12:27:55 <xfq> QingAn: do you think it's technically possible for miniapp vendors to use web components and web apis?
12:27:59 <xfq> martin_: not in all cases
12:28:10 <xfq> ... i'm not an expert in all MiniApps impls
12:29:05 <xfq> ... it may be difficult to adopt web components by default
12:29:16 <xfq> ... because it's not how the current impls work
12:29:36 <xfq> ... and the miniapp apis are not the same as web apis
12:29:44 <xfq> ... although they have similar functions
12:35:36 <xfq> QingAn: re web component, we need to ask miniapp vendors whether that's acceptable
12:35:46 <xfq> ... you can file a github issue
12:35:51 <xfq> ... we can discuss there
12:36:08 <xfq> martin_: I'll open an issue
12:36:15 <xfq> ... we can vote and discuss
12:37:52 <xfq> topic: iot
12:38:12 <xfq> QingAn: i don't have any update to share today
12:40:09 <xfq> Next meeting, August 18
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