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14:58:54 <dbooth> Meeting: FHIR RDF
14:58:57 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth
15:05:11 <dbooth> Topic: RDF Lists and OWL
15:05:24 <dbooth> jim: Still working on OWL API PR.
15:07:09 <dbooth> jim: Use of RDF lists is technically an OWL violation.  But I've been looking at the OWL API to enable it to work properly with RDF lists anyway.
15:07:59 <dbooth> ... Concensus seems to be that we want to RDF lists, even if it technically violates the OWL spec, provided that OWL tooling can use it.
15:08:45 <dbooth> eric: The other issue was whether fhir:value can be both a datatype and an object type.
15:10:52 <dbooth> ... We could use separate properties for those if needed.
15:16:43 <dbooth> jim: Could also change all the lists to a different namespace.
15:17:00 <dbooth> eric: That's hilarious!
15:18:24 <dbooth> dbooth: That's one of several work-arounds that we could offer.
15:20:57 <dbooth> dbooth: Do we have consensus to continue going ahead with the RDF list approach provided that Jim is successful in getting it to work with OWL API?
15:21:39 <dbooth> eric: It would be easier to sell it if we could demonstrate that the namespace renameing hack works as a workaround
15:22:00 <dbooth> ACTOIN: jim to show the namespace renameing hack works as a workaround
15:23:43 <dbooth> a/ACTOIN/ACTION/
15:26:08 <dbooth> Topic: Concept IRIs
15:27:54 <dbooth> ACTION: Gaurav to sched followup with TSMG on Monday.
15:28:26 <dbooth> Topic:  Properties with both scalar and object range: fhir:value inside of fhir:value #102
15:30:31 <dbooth> https://github.com/w3c/hcls-fhir-rdf/issues/102
15:30:54 <dbooth> jim: It causes reasoners to treat it as an annotation property -- loses the semantics.
15:31:46 <dbooth> eric: This is also a problem with fhir:Codes , because we're adopting the FHIR names for properties.
15:31:54 <dbooth> ... Observation.code
15:36:14 <dbooth> jim: rdf:value is not a valid property name.
15:38:02 <dbooth> dbooth: Should we emit a different property name for datatype vs object properties?
15:39:12 <dbooth> jim: I like that idea, of using two property names.
15:39:56 <dbooth> eric: Easier to rename the scalar property.
15:42:07 <dbooth> dbooth: But FHIR JSON uses the word "value" for that, so I'd prefer to rename the valueX property.  Might even call it literally fhir:valueX.
15:42:27 <dbooth> eric:  Or fhir:_valueX
15:43:23 <dbooth> eric: Or fhir:value_X
15:44:04 <dbooth> houcemedine: or fhir;hasValue
15:51:05 <dbooth> AGREED: Use two different property names
15:56:53 <dbooth> Or also fhir:value_x.
15:57:09 <dbooth> rob: i prefer lower case x
15:57:37 <dbooth> ... Because if it were a datatype it would start with a capital letter.
16:00:29 <dbooth> Dbooth: Preferences: value_x, value_x, value_x, value-x
16:00:43 <dbooth> AGREED: use fhir:value_x for object properties.
16:03:06 <dbooth> rob: Will this be only for properties that are union types or for all object properties?
16:03:50 <dbooth> ACTION: Rob to figure this out.
16:06:22 <dbooth> ACTION: Dbooth to look at what else we need to tie up.
16:11:22 <dbooth> Present: David Booth, Houcemeddine, Jim Balhoff, Dagmar, EricP, Rob Hausam, Gaurav Vaidya
16:11:33 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
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16:14:39 <dbooth> i/figure this/eric: Oops, that's a problem.  We didn't consider that.
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