12:02:55 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:02:55 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-irc 12:03:14 sebastian has joined #wot 12:04:11 McCool_ has joined #wot 12:04:24 meeting: WoT-IG/WG 12:04:32 chair: Sebastian/McCool 12:04:49 dape has joined #wot 12:04:50 matsuda has joined #wot 12:05:15 mjk has joined #wot 12:05:23 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:05:52 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:05:52 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#20_July_2022 12:06:22 topic: review minutes from July 13 12:06:34 i/review/scribenick: mjk/ 12:06:38 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/07/13-wot-minutes.html July-13 12:09:33 q+ 12:09:49 seb: reminder that we are testing next week. Please check for unimplemented assertions 12:10:39 ack k 12:13:01 seb: any objections to publish? 12:13:32 ... no objections. please publish 12:14:28 mlagally_ has joined #wot 12:14:39 mm: we are still having an Architecture call next week 12:15:11 q+ 12:16:09 ml: we would like to shift the focus of the architecture work to make progress on profiles 12:16:44 ... doodle pool to find more meeting times 12:17:06 seb: need to reschedule the DTDL call, wait until Erich is available again 12:17:41 mm: in the meantime, we can review the DTDL document and prepare 12:17:52 topic: TPAC 12:18:33 seb: please use the wiki page to indicate your travel plans so we can plan the meetings and topics 12:19:18 mm: we need to schedule a joint meeting with DID, maybe Monday 12:19:32 ... they are open to all time slots 12:20:13 seb: what is the status on signatures? 12:20:21 mm: no news 12:20:48 seg: should we meet with JSON-LD? 12:20:56 s/seg/seb 12:21:38 seb: not addressing our topics in JSON-LD, maybe we should work with Linked Data group (Manu Sporny) 12:22:13 mm: DID contact is also Manu, so we can coordinate with him 12:22:31 mm: will follow up with Manu 12:23:05 kas: gor response from Automotive proposing a joint discussion 12:23:11 s/gor/got 12:23:28 ... they are available for Monday and Wednesday 12:23:59 q+ 12:24:02 mm: Wednesday is open day, we can have meetings also 12:24:15 ack ml 12:24:31 seb: prefer to be available most of the open day so people can come by 12:25:14 kaz: if we schedule an open day, we not schedule other meetings during that time 12:25:27 ... focus on open day 12:25:56 mm: we can have a separate open day event 12:26:28 ack k 12:26:51 seb: will we meet with the accessibility group? 12:27:17 s/if we schedule an open day, we not schedule other meetings during that time/if we mean "WoT open day" by "open day" here, we should hold that not during the TPAC week but should have that during our own remote f2f one week earlier./ 12:27:18 mm: there is a concern that we can model physical affordances 12:27:58 s/focus on open day/we should focus on joint meetings with the related WGs listed on the f2f wiki during the TPAC week./ 12:28:34 mm: there is an additional demo of RIOTOS from Philip 12:28:43 q? 12:28:48 q+ 12:28:54 mm: still organizing the demos 12:29:24 cris has joined #wot 12:29:24 kaz: we should clarify the relationship between the demos and the testfest 12:29:43 s/testfest/plugfest 12:29:52 matsuda has joined #wot 12:30:54 mm: lets discuss more in the testing call 12:31:07 https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/proposals/deliverable-proposals 12:31:33 https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978 12:31:44 mm: another thing, we have been capturing next charter items in the wiki 12:32:01 ... we need more structure to prepare for the TPAC discussion 12:32:20 ... write up some text for each potential deliverable 12:33:12 .. write the updates in HTML format in the md document 12:33:48 seb: registration is open, there is an early bird discount 12:34:10 topic: publication, wide review 12:34:14 ... no news 12:34:44 mm: the TAG review has some comments that need to be addressed 12:35:18 ... we added some new assertions for security and privacy that are hard to test 12:35:40 ... they need to be reworked to render them testable 12:35:57 ... or informative 12:36:11 ... we need to do this before CR transition 12:36:25 rrsagent, make log public 12:36:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:36:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:37:01 mm: not aware of any other issues 12:37:24 dezell has joined #wot 12:37:31 present+ David_ 12:37:41 present+ David_Ezell 12:38:11 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:38:42 topic: td working draft 12:39:07 kaz: ran pubrules checker 12:39:24 ... still need to describe the changes since the March WD 12:39:38 seb: changelog, let's discuss on the TD call 12:40:00 ... Discovery, resolved to pblish a new working draft 12:40:36 ... Architecture? 12:41:18 s/kaz:/kaz:/ 12:41:19 :w 12:41:24 s/:w// 12:41:27 ml: last week had to review many MRs. PLease review these offline so we can make better progress in the meeting 12:42:43 mm: hope we can be ready to publish the WD after tomorrow 12:43:37 proposal: proceed with publication of a WD for Architecture 1.1 based on the current draft in PR780 12:43:59 resolution: proceed with publication of a WD for Architecture 1.1 based on the current draft in PR780 12:44:20 q+ 12:44:24 ack k 12:44:48 q+ 12:45:08 seb: we need to republish the note document 12:45:43 i/no news/subtopic: Wide reviews/ 12:45:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:46:23 ml: wanted to thank mccool for helping with the architecture document and will add him to the editors list 12:47:08 ack m 12:47:10 ack m 12:47:21 mm: planning to cancel all meeting next week except for Architecture and 12:48:03 seb: we will have Slack to use for communication 12:49:05 ... please review the testfest plan 12:49:19 q+ 12:50:13 q+ 12:50:35 ege: the process needs to be improved around feature freeze 12:50:57 mm: we need to take a copy when we do a feature freeze 12:50:58 ack e 12:51:29 ege: confusing and hard to keep up across many testfests 12:51:47 mm: there were a lot of bug fixes along with the tests 12:51:54 q? 12:52:43 mm: be careful making changes in the data after the test, there are downstream effects 12:53:00 ack k 12:53:05 kaz: let's discuss organizing resources at the testing call 12:53:13 topic: charter extension 12:54:04 kaz: provide comments 12:54:21 s/kaz/seb 12:54:32 topic: DTDL 12:54:54 seb: will reschedule when Erich is available 12:55:00 topic: OPC-UA 12:55:23 seb: doodle pool review, looks like the 28th is a good option 12:56:20 i|provide|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978 Issue 978 - Goals and Deliverable Discussion for WoT WG 2023 Proposed Charter| 12:56:30 q? 12:56:32 ... looking at the poll result to see 12:57:17 ... will update the WoT calendar 12:57:36 q+ 12:58:11 ege: updated the CG charter draft and looking for review and feedback 12:58:31 ... there will be a meeting on Monday to review in real time 12:59:07 kaz: there are 2 separate calendar invites, the 21st and the 25th 12:59:22 ...the 25th is the correct date 12:59:51 seb: topic: TF report outs, any highlights or announcements? 13:00:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:00:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:00:42 i/topic:/topic: TF Reports/ 13:01:34 ml: profiles update, revisiting a MR that needs to be rebased, had some discussion about event protocol, the call is busy with many topics 13:02:35 ... we will probably not change the schedule until after summer break 13:02:53 q+ 13:03:06 ml: we have had problems with key stakeholders missing meetings and not keeping up 13:03:06 ack k 13:03:36 q+ 13:03:58 ack e 13:04:16 ege: this may be more of a problem due to remote working, we should continue to discuss the asynchronous working method 13:04:48 seb: we need to close the meeting now, and continue this discussion 13:04:56 mm: suggest we discuss this in TPAC... 13:04:59 kaz: let's add an agenda item 13:05:28 seb: would like to adjourn, having the testing call at 10 past the hour 13:05:39 ... adjourned 13:05:56 s/let's/if we really want to discuss this topic, let's/ 13:06:00 rrsagent, draft minute 13:06:00 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:06:04 s/rrsagent, draft minute// 13:06:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:09:21 Mizushima has left #wot 13:09:32 i/suggest we/scribenick: McCool_/ 13:09:42 i/if we really/scribenick: mjk/ 13:09:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:09:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/20-wot-minutes.html kaz