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11:57:24 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
11:57:36 <jeanne> Title: WCAG3-Equity
11:57:47 <jeanne> Chair: Janina, jeanne
11:57:54 <jeanne> present+
11:57:59 <janina> present+
11:58:19 <jeanne> agenda+ agree on goals
11:58:19 <jeanne> agenda+ discuss preparation readings
11:58:53 <janina> zakim, who's here?
11:58:53 <Zakim> Present: jeanne, janina
11:58:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, jeanne, laura
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12:02:25 <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
12:02:25 <jeanne> Starting doc for agendas -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1esfSksGbTYTwdk0QI3fR5wsd7_9Boa9Gkv5dY-rj7pM/
12:03:12 <jeanne> Google Drive folder -> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fjpqHDqFZKtd16FpQ37edM8BkJSGVhEn
12:09:10 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
12:09:10 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- agree on goals -- taken up [from jeanne]
12:09:50 <jeanne> Equity wiki page  -> https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Equity-Subgroup
12:23:00 <jeanne> [Informal discussion of goals]
12:30:19 <jeanne> scribe+ jeanne
12:30:27 <jeanne> agree on Goals:
12:30:35 <jeanne> 1. Define equity
12:30:54 <jeanne> 2. How to evaluate the level of equity supported by the guidelines
12:31:39 <jeanne> 3. How to evaluate the level of equity supported by the guidelines
12:31:58 <jeanne> 4. Identify the Challenges to equity
12:37:41 <jeanne> 5. Where the challenges are raised and might be addressed
12:37:41 <jeanne> In conformance
12:37:41 <jeanne> In outcomes
12:37:41 <jeanne> In what others write as outcomes
12:38:23 <jeanne> Structural ability to address issues raised on guidelines equity in a reasonable time frame
12:38:23 <jeanne> When people point out needed guidance, shouldn’t take 20 years for a new version to address it
12:38:23 <jeanne> Some issues belong with functional needs group, around “what is a disability” that we address
12:40:47 <jeanne> Look at processes and how to  minimize bias in processes
12:40:47 <jeanne> ...In the writing process for the guidelines
12:40:47 <jeanne> ...In the AGWG decision policy
12:40:47 <jeanne> ...Inclusion in writing the guidelines
12:40:48 <jeanne> ...Nothing About Us Without Us
12:42:25 <jeanne> Purpose: Help equity define the conformance model instead of conformance defining equity
12:43:39 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
12:43:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- discuss preparation readings -- taken up [from jeanne]
12:44:22 <jeanne> SLide deck of prior work from Silver -> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1hm68EMWdL3KT85vy3VoJ_w7f5mWeAwfeON8ZFgghpvY/
12:55:04 <jeanne> [Jeanne reviews slide deck of prior work from Silver - problems and potential solutions tried]
12:55:26 <jeanne> Homework: Review the references in the Slide Deck of researches
12:56:41 <jeanne> MC: I think we need to deliver a report to AGWG of the equity problems
12:57:05 <jeanne> JSp: I think that should be our 4 week goal
12:59:37 <jeanne> Thoughts on Defining Equity [from discussion]
13:00:08 <jeanne> Define equity
13:00:08 <jeanne> ...Tempting to set percentages, but can’t be  too formulaic
13:00:08 <jeanne> ...May be contextual - needs may be different in different kinds of sites
13:00:08 <jeanne> ...Need to consider language equity as well - we can’t write for every language  so people have to write their own outcomes
13:00:10 <jeanne> ...Inclusion in writing standards
13:00:10 <jeanne> ...Nothing About Us Without Us
13:00:10 <jeanne> ...Equity is different from equal
13:00:52 <jeanne> Thoughts on How to evaluate the level of equity supported by the guidelines
13:00:52 <jeanne> ...Conformance model enabling / restricting equity
13:00:52 <jeanne> ...Set of defined outcomes
13:00:52 <jeanne> ...Use or not of protocols
13:01:34 <jeanne> Thoughts on Identify the Challenges to equity
13:01:34 <jeanne> ...Testability of guidelines
13:01:34 <jeanne> ...Addressing situations where we have less expertise / lived experience
13:01:34 <jeanne> ...Large set of contexts in which guidelines would be used
13:01:35 <jeanne> ...Technology limitations
13:01:35 <jeanne> ...Effort level to meet outcomes
13:02:23 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:02:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/18-wcag3-equity-minutes.html jeanne
13:03:11 <jeanne> present+ MichaelC
13:03:42 <jeanne> Meeting: WCAG3 Equity
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18:01:14 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
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