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13:53:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:53:41 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2022
13:54:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> Chair:  Matthew
13:54:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:54:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:54:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:54:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:54:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:54:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:54:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:54:36 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
13:54:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Other Business
13:54:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ be done
13:54:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
13:54:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
13:55:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/13-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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14:01:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:01:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
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14:03:42 <janina> present+
14:03:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:03:52 <Alisa_Smith> present+
14:04:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:04:01 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:04:37 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Jul/0012.html
14:04:41 <Fredrik> present+
14:04:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Reminding everyone, there is a CfC issued yesterday, runs for a week
14:05:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... WAI-Adapt, after at least a decade of development (arguably more) there is a specifiction
14:05:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets+ Becky
14:05:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets+ Irfan
14:05:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:05:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/13-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:05:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... that we propose is ready for transition to Candidate Recommendation status
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14:07:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:07:45 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:08:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close item
14:08:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Lionel_Wolberger
14:08:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:08:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:08:23 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:23 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:08:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:08:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:09:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:09:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:09:58 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:09:58 <Zakim> 4. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:10:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:10:06 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:10:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> MichaelC: Nothing new the past week
14:10:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:10:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:10:46 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:10:46 <Zakim> 5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:10:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:10:48 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:11:33 <ToddL> Hi Matthew
14:11:51 <MichaelC> subtopic: MiniApp Manifest
14:11:51 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/28
14:11:51 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-manifest/
14:11:59 <MichaelC> - review: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Jul/0008.html
14:12:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:12:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/13-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:13:28 <MichaelC> subtopic: CSS Containment
14:13:28 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Containment_Module_Level_3
14:13:28 <MichaelC> - review: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Jul/0006.html
14:14:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Michael: Containment allows the isolation of an area on the page
14:14:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... content hidden advises the browser that some content should not be visible
14:14:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... is different from ARIA=hidden and is for off-screen text
14:15:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Level 3 adds more features that do not impact accessibility
14:17:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> Here's some support info on CSS content-visibility: https://caniuse.com/css-content-visibility
14:19:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: APA could advise WCAG regarding this technique, and urge them to write examples
14:20:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Using content visibility to visually hide things, but not hide them from assistive technologies
14:21:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we are eager for WCAG example, explaining which Success Criteria can be met using this technique
14:21:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... should take existing techniques and show how this new CSS technique is relevant
14:22:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:22:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Adapt
14:23:04 <janina> https://w3c.github.io/adapt/content/
14:23:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: As janina mentioned, the CfC for moving the Adapt Content Module 1.0 to CR is out; please send in your feedback.
14:23:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: We're working on all the things that go around the CR transition (announcement, 'blog post, ...)
14:24:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We're going to need to write a companion spec to help us set up the W3C Registry for Bliss concept ID lookup, to map to the user's chosen symbol set.
14:24:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: This may happen before our second CR. There will be two CRs, as the first is using data-* attributes; ultimately we'll request a prefix.
14:25:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe+ Matthew_Atkinson
14:26:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> subtopic: RQTF
14:26:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: RQTF met with its sub-group Maturity Model (inherited from Silver)
14:26:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... content is migrated to a github document
14:27:11 <janina> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/
14:27:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... time now to clean it up and get it out before TPAC
14:29:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... SAUR announced and published
14:29:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Remote meetings published
14:29:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe+ Fredrik
14:30:33 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:30:33 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:31:53 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:31:53 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:31:55 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:31:55 <Zakim> 8. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:31:59 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:31:59 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:32:23 <Fredrik> janina: High on the list, but not there yet. It's mid-July. Working on said score.
14:32:40 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: No news per se. We will be soon reaching out to teh WGs we've asked to speak with to reserve calendar slots.
14:32:46 <Fredrik> yakim, close this item
14:32:49 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:32:49 <Zakim> agendum 8 was just opened, Fredrik
14:32:57 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:32:57 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:32:58 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:32:58 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:32:59 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:33:00 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:33:31 <Fredrik> janina: A thought: SAUR is published and was just announced. There is a wonderful e-mail on WAI-announce about it.
14:33:58 <Fredrik> janina: That is not a normative specification. So how does WCAG take advantage of it? Thez will have to decide.
14:34:49 <Fredrik> janina: I'm thinking we have groups to talk to at TPAC about SAUR. We have talked about it advancing to W3C statement status which may be a way to take it further.
14:35:10 <Fredrik> janina: I shall be looking into this.
14:35:55 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: We should build on it and the people working in that area know more about it because of the pooling of knowledge but it would be nice to make it into something that we're more exposed to, all of us.
14:36:29 <Fredrik> janina: The synchronization of just the video and the audio needs to fall into something where everyone drops off. It's not just a11y. We reviewed a lot of research which we documented in this doc. It's probably reasonable material to createa  a spec around.
14:36:43 <Fredrik> janina: Teh Reporting API may want to report on that, for instance.
14:37:09 <Fredrik> janina: There are reasons for wanting to have a W3C wide spec. It realy is a curb cut. Even captions is a curb cut.
14:37:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
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14:37:37 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/13-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
14:38:09 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: Sometimes game makers make acaptions opt-in and a lot of people opt in because they are in an environment where sound is an issue.
14:38:28 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: One of the Assassi's Creed games made the captions opt-out and 90 percent or so left them on.
14:40:03 <Fredrik> Matthew_Atkinson: The number is just off the top of my head, I can find the exact nbumbers if you like.
14:40:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:41:07 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:41:07 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
14:41:08 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:41:08 <Zakim> 10. be done [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:41:14 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:41:14 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- be done -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:41:20 <Fredrik> We are done!
14:41:29 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:41:29 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
14:41:30 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
14:42:28 <Fredrik> rrsagent, make minutes
14:42:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/13-apa-minutes.html Fredrik
15:02:39 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 20 July at 1400Z
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