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14:19:20 <Steven> Date: 12 July 2022
14:19:35 <Steven> Meeting: ixml group call
14:19:39 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:20:11 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/06/21-ixml-minutes
14:20:28 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jul/0006
14:21:32 <Steven> rrssagent, make minutes
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14:21:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
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14:26:30 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:27:34 <norm> rrsagent, make minutes world readable
14:27:34 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world readable', norm.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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14:29:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html norm
14:31:53 <Steven> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:33:39 <Steven> Present: Bethan, John, Norm, Michael, Micah, Steven
14:36:55 <Steven> Topic: Previous Actions
14:37:14 <Steven> Steven: All done
14:37:33 <Steven> Norm: Not ACTION (2022-06-21): Tom to set up a schematron demo
14:37:51 <Steven> Michael: I didn;t find large and unexpected XPath expressions
14:38:08 <Steven> John: I got all but 11 QT tests running
14:38:31 <Steven> ... they fail on "-" as operator or namecharacter
14:39:00 <Steven> ... with lots of ambiguity
14:39:07 <Steven> .... whitespace can be very critical
14:39:26 <Steven> Michael: I expect whitespace to be the biggest issue for newcomers
14:39:30 <Steven> ... we need to warn people
14:40:17 <mjoel> offline: I had a low-priority query about the community page https://www.w3.org/community/ixml/ which is a bit out of date, for example in specifying meeting times ... and how to update it
14:40:17 <Steven> Steven: I will be handling that in an advanced ixml tutorial for Declarative Amsterdam in November
14:40:55 <Steven> Bethan: I'm thinking of offering a mode in my implementation to handle whaitespace
14:41:04 <Steven> s/whait/white/
14:41:37 <Steven> Topic:  Status of implementations
14:42:01 <Steven> Norm: I'm close to v2.0 with GLC parser, but not there yet
14:42:14 <Steven> John: Close to v1,.0 release of workbench
14:42:15 <norm> s/GLC/GLL/
14:42:29 <Steven> ... also a stub library for Saxon
14:42:38 <Steven> ... away on hol until Balisage
14:42:57 <Steven> Michael: About John's implementation, is there a direct link?
14:43:05 <Steven> John: That's the current link
14:43:31 <Steven> Michael: Apologies
14:43:51 <Steven> Topic:  Status of testing and test suites
14:44:11 <Steven> Michael: I've added a couple of groups of performance tests
14:44:36 <Steven> ... with exponential increasing size input/grammar
14:44:51 <Steven> ... to see what happens to reponse times
14:45:19 <Steven> s/reponse/response/
14:45:59 <Steven> Topic:  Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
14:46:04 <Steven> [None]
14:46:12 <Steven> Topic:  Plans for Balisage
14:46:37 <Steven> Norm: I took all inputs and crafted them as docbookml, needs copy editing
14:46:58 <Steven> Bethan: I'
14:47:08 <Steven> 'll do the copy edit
14:47:52 <Steven> Michael: I will draft my implementation text by today eob
14:48:19 <Steven> John: Please list my implementation as working
14:48:44 <Steven> Steven: Is the total version on github?
14:48:47 <Steven> Norm: Yes
14:49:17 <Steven> Bethan: DO people want to do slides for their individual bit, or shal I do slides?
14:49:35 <Steven> s/DO?Do/
14:49:43 <Steven> s/DO?Do/
14:49:49 <Steven> s/DO/Do/
14:50:08 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:50:25 <Steven> Micah: I'm going by "Joel" these days
14:50:38 <Steven> ... I'm unaffiliated.
14:51:05 <Steven> ... I'm interested in Rust and ixml, so I want to build a Rust implementation
14:51:36 <Steven> ... I've ordered the Dragon book
14:52:10 <Steven> John: What is the plan for the talk?
14:52:51 <Steven> Steven: Split according to the bits we've written.
14:53:21 <Steven> Norm: My suggestion is Steven a few slides intro, and then each implementor about their implementations
14:53:25 <Steven> ... then a sort of panel
14:53:41 <Steven> John: I would like to demo the workbench'
14:53:55 <Steven> ... three to four minutes
14:54:09 <Steven> Bethan: Four people talking about implementations?
14:54:23 <Steven> Norm: We have 30+15 minutesw
14:54:57 <Steven> Michael: Let us talk about implementations in the order that they have become publically available - Tom, me, Steven, Norm, John
14:55:11 <Steven> Steven: Sounds good.
14:55:37 <Steven> Bethan: How about I do the intro?
14:55:41 <Steven> Steven: GO for it.
14:55:46 <Steven> \s/GO/Go/
14:55:53 <Steven> s/GO/Go/
14:56:06 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
14:56:47 <Steven> John: One of the big developments is that we have taken it rhough a ciommunity group, with a lot of work done. We should mention it
14:57:03 <Steven> s/rhough/through/
14:57:24 <Steven> s/ciommunity/community
14:57:33 <Steven> Bethan: Agree
14:58:33 <Steven> Steven: We should be checking the paper Thursday.
14:59:07 <Steven> Norm: Meet next Tuesday to discuss the slides
15:00:03 <Steven> Bethan: Lets make that the 26th
15:00:38 <Steven> John: I'll be on holiday, so won't be able to do much
15:00:57 <Steven> Joel: About the community page
15:01:25 <Steven> ... ... needs updating
15:01:34 <Steven> ACTION: Steven update community page
15:04:05 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:04:28 <Steven> s/didn;t/didn't/
15:05:15 <Steven> s/Micah/JoelDubinko/G
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15:35:03 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-actions.rdf :
15:35:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven update community page [1]
15:35:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-irc#T15-01-34
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15:39:52 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:39:59 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:39:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Ralph
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15:40:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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15:49:41 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
15:50:21 <Steven> s/whitee/white
15:50:35 <Steven> s/v1,.0/v1.0
15:50:41 <Steven> s/or shal I/or shall I
15:50:54 <Steven> s/workbench'/workbench
15:51:10 <Steven> s/minutesw/minutes
15:51:12 <Steven> S/GO for/Go for/
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15:51:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
15:52:07 <Steven> s/GO for/Go for/
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15:52:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
15:52:40 <Steven> s/GO for/Go for/
15:52:46 <Steven> 	rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven
19:15:50 <mjoel> Steven, https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2016/06-05-london/xml-london.html is truly extraordinary description and analogy for an Earley parser
19:21:01 <mjoel> The pseudocode for an Early parser (in the Pseudocode section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earley_parser ) has an adaptation-from-source-material bug, in a dangling and unexplained reference to PARTS_OF_SPEECH.
19:21:12 <mjoel> Other than that, it seems pretty straightforward