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13:52:14 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:52:16 <Lauriat> agenda?
13:52:41 <Lauriat> agenda+ review the surveys for AG next week
13:52:46 <Lauriat> agenda+ new subgroup participation
13:52:47 <Lauriat> agenda+ continuing the migration categorization exercise
13:52:52 <Lauriat> Present+
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13:55:05 <jeanne> agenda?
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14:02:23 <sarahhorton> present+
14:03:10 <Makoto> present+
14:03:17 <janina> present+
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14:03:26 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up item 1
14:03:26 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- review the surveys for AG next week -- taken up [from Lauriat]
14:03:38 <shadi> present+
14:03:53 <janina> scribe+ janina
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14:04:09 <janina> jeanne: Notes several surveys to respond to this week
14:04:15 <jeanne> Survey email => https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Jul/0005.html
14:04:32 <janina> jeanne: 3 this week
14:04:43 <janina> jeanne: First from Protocols group
14:05:03 <janina> jeanne: Breaks down differences and requests preferred direction
14:05:17 <janina> jeanne: Also note that surveys are closing 30 minutes ahead of the AG call
14:05:25 <janina> jeanne: Second we will talk about shortly
14:05:32 <ToddL> present+
14:05:37 <janina> jeanne: Third relates to the AG proposed charter
14:05:53 <janina> zakim, next item
14:05:53 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- new subgroup participation -- taken up [from Lauriat]
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14:06:11 <jeanne> Subgroup handbook -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_caRiZaTQDmsd2Vq415sz4AIullNse-GeGtohUfg_5M/edit#heading=h.gzpoqn1jwaec
14:06:38 <janina> jeanne: Notes first put forward a couple weeks ago; these are time boxed to 8 weeks
14:06:52 <janina> jeanne: Available subgroups are listed and participation solicited
14:07:20 <janina> jeanne: Thjese are setup to help inform TPAC discussion and decisioning
14:07:24 <Rachael> present+
14:08:06 <janina> jeanne: Seeking 4-6 people per group; expect 4 hours per week
14:08:25 <janina> jeanne: Lists groups---
14:08:46 <janina> jeanne: Scoping -- will examine using SEO
14:09:29 <janina> jeanne: test types and terminology -- which has been our migration conversation in great part
14:09:52 <Lauriat> qv?
14:10:18 <janina> jeanne: Equity -- Ways to better support different pwd groupings
14:10:44 <janina> jeanne: Want to define problems and use cases against we can test candidate conformance solutions
14:10:51 <janina> jeanne: Also Accessibility Supported
14:11:04 <Rachael> q+
14:11:13 <jenniferS> I'd like to support Equity.
14:11:13 <janina> jeanne: Issue Severity
14:11:27 <janina> jeanne: Notes als that group telecon scheduling is in the survey
14:11:43 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:12:26 <janina> Rachael: Reinforces 8 week time box; will come back to AG conversation;
14:12:56 <maryjom> q+
14:13:05 <Lauriat> ack maryjom
14:13:35 <janina> maryjom: 4 hours may be difficult as am starting up WCAG2ICT work
14:13:37 <jenniferS> q+
14:13:49 <janina> jeanne: Understood, and thanks for work you're doing!
14:14:31 <janina> jenniferS: Asks how to choose what group?
14:14:33 <jeanne> Survey -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/subgroups-2022-06/?login
14:14:40 <Lauriat> ack jenniferS
14:14:59 <janina> jeanne: Anyone unable to access WBS, please let Jeanne know asap
14:15:19 <janina> zakim, next item
14:15:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- continuing the migration categorization exercise -- taken up [from Lauriat]
14:16:19 <jeanne> spreadsheet for Migration -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
14:17:28 <Lauriat> q+ to describe the interesting challenge I've had with multiple ways & concurrent input mechanisms
14:17:40 <janina> janina: Notes my review of 2.2.6 doesn't fit a good approach for 3.0
14:18:09 <janina> Lauriat: Also ran into challenges, no objective or conditional tests that I can thank of
14:18:26 <janina> Lauriat: Inherently so high level that it depends on how the content works
14:19:02 <janina> Lauriat: Seems all we can say is support multiple ways
14:19:13 <Rachael> q+ to talk to visible controls https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_cvHlTWlZpT3PQc0EFl4ISTHMA5oGzAnCLclFY8BYpU/edit#
14:19:18 <janina> Lauriat: Appears no opportunity to be perscriptive
14:20:08 <janina> Lauriat: Would want to say need to switch from using keyboard to mouse, and other combos; but possibly too many permutations to list out
14:20:16 <janina> jeanne: Think we need to write this up as a use case
14:20:28 <janina> jeanne: A good example of objective test problem
14:20:34 <Lauriat> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ngJI9bh7ZhED362uAFq1S9CWtSZqbk4aZgqfsIfhfj8/edit
14:20:39 <janina> Lauriat: 2.4.5 multiple ways have some examples written up
14:21:08 <Rachael> q-
14:21:23 <janina> Lauriat: notes protocols could be declared to help ensure this can happen
14:21:40 <janina> Lauriat: but don't see an ACT type breakdown
14:21:52 <janina> q?
14:22:04 <Lauriat> ack me
14:22:04 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to describe the interesting challenge I've had with multiple ways & concurrent input mechanisms
14:22:20 <janina> jeanne: Suggest to Rachael capturing some of these challenges could be helpful
14:22:32 <janina> Rachael: Will start Google Doc to do so
14:22:37 <Rachael> q+
14:22:50 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:23:38 <janina> Rachael: Also ran into different challenges with Visible Controls; some pass fail, but not everywhere; different levels of test types
14:24:22 <jeanne> New Use Cases document -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8J2zxoinwPQmLanLMUk_M0U4ttfTUvEkussPKLns-E/edit#heading=h.ej6nktjsuln8
14:24:53 <janina> jeanne: Encourages people to add a para about challenges encountered in this exercise
14:26:22 <janina> Rachael: suggests a second part to capture lessons learned
14:27:22 <janina> jeanne: Suggests people pick another SC still unaddressed and repeat our process with it
14:27:36 <janina> jeanne: 24 remain
14:28:13 <ToddL> q+
14:28:16 <janina> jeanne: Please put 'partial' and your name so that it's evident you're working on it
14:29:34 <Lauriat> ack ToddL
14:30:04 <janina> ToddL: Took on 2.5.5 and 2.5.8 -- when do we meet as a group on these again?
14:30:20 <janina> jeanne: We're doing them individually for now. Too many for now
14:30:30 <janina> jeanne: Though group efforts are welcome
14:33:32 <janina> jeanne: Noting a link error -- but suggests Google Drive if such are encountered
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14:35:26 <janina> jeanne: Asks if anyone wants a small group breakout room?
14:35:47 <janina> [crickets]
14:36:13 <jenniferS> I just had an urgent PDF remediation ask pop up, gotta run! Have a good weekend!
14:47:38 <ToddL> I need edit permission on the doc I am going to be editing, please. Thank you.
14:53:15 <janina> jeanne: Invites people to return to group discussion--questions? comments?
14:53:20 <janina> tod: Need edit access
14:54:10 <sarahhorton> q+
14:54:36 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
14:55:09 <janina> sarahhorton: wondering--concerned about specificity of functional and user needs; should we focus on categories, not subcategories?
14:55:42 <janina> sarahhorton: found myself at the higher level just to be able to move forward
14:55:48 <Lauriat> q+ to offer On Input example for functional & user needs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/147AYYE5p1L96GKz5A63NcN9k_APYS1EWXwTBLhGrzb0/edit
14:56:00 <Rachael> q+
14:56:07 <janina> jeanne: also did that; I think it's ok
14:56:17 <janina> jeanne: It's a judgement call
14:56:31 <Rachael> q-
14:56:44 <janina> sarahhorton: was wondering whether others have had that challenge
14:57:17 <janina> jeanne: at some point a group will take another pass and work on these
14:58:06 <janina> Lauriat: Also finding it useful to go for high level
14:58:11 <Rachael> Reading level was a counter example where it really applies specifically to written language
14:58:36 <janina> Lauriat: I found a couple exceptions; but mostly highest broadest possible
14:58:44 <Lauriat> ack me
14:58:44 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to offer On Input example for functional & user needs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/147AYYE5p1L96GKz5A63NcN9k_APYS1EWXwTBLhGrzb0/edit
14:58:49 <janina> Lauriat: Also +1 that this is a first pass and will be revisited
14:59:03 <janina> jeanne: thanks everyone!
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