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12:38:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:38:11 <trackbot> Date: 06 July 2022
12:38:33 <janina> trackbot, start meeting
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12:38:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:38:39 <trackbot> Date: 06 July 2022
12:38:54 <janina> zakim, start meeting
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12:38:55 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:41:25 <janina> agenda?
12:41:41 <janina> Chair: Janina
12:42:13 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:42:35 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
12:43:52 <janina> agenda?
12:44:22 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
12:44:55 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
12:45:21 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
12:45:45 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:46:35 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
12:47:37 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
12:47:58 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
12:48:10 <janina> agenda?
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13:00:35 <janina> regrets: Niklas_Egger, Nadine_Sienel
13:01:49 <janina> regrets+ David_Fazio
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13:58:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
14:00:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> presetn+
14:00:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:01:54 <MichaelC> present+
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14:04:14 <becky> scribe: becky
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14:06:12 <becky> zakim, next item
14:06:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:06:18 <Roy> present+
14:07:14 <becky> janina: synchronization a11y user requirements (SAUR) is published waiting for messaging
14:09:07 <becky> janina: Remote meetings a11y note is out for cfc; there is much support but there is one objection - to be discussed further by chairs. All discussion is on list; CfC is open through Friday, July 8 midnight Boston time
14:09:15 <becky> zakim, next item
14:09:15 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:09:33 <Roy> Subtopic: Service Workers WG charter
14:09:40 <becky> roy: two new charters and 1 workshop to discuss
14:10:00 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/sw-2022.html
14:10:51 <becky> roy: low level API so I don't believe there are any relevant issues for this group;  this is a service between the web service layers and the application.
14:11:53 <becky> janina: believe we can pass on this one, any comments from others? We probably don't need a liason statement
14:12:04 <Roy> Subtopic: Chinese Web Interest Group Charter
14:12:09 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : agree it is very low level. no action
14:12:17 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/chinese-ig-charter/charter-2022.html
14:13:50 <becky> Roy : an interest group launched in China to increase participation in web development; interested in accessibility and mention in charter.
14:14:38 <becky> janina: happy to have more people interested in accessibility; Mini apps is a good example of how we might work together; Any concerns from anyone?
14:14:52 <Roy> Subtopic: Workshop on immersive worlds on the web
14:14:56 <becky> no other comments - will accept
14:15:11 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/immersive-worlds-workshop/
14:15:29 <becky> janina: is this the group we have already had a workshop with - folks out of Lisbon?
14:16:17 <becky> janina: Shadi had set up something with those folks before he left w3c; we are generally kept in the loop for those, this sounds different
14:16:57 <becky> roy: workshop wants to enhance environment to enhance immersive works - integrate user agents, patterns, and accessibility.
14:17:47 <becky> roy: a11y wants to include topic of how to may immersive worlds more inclusive
14:18:29 <becky> janina:  RQTF would probably be interested, please forward to list; all are welcome to participate and submit proposals
14:18:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:18:46 <becky> zakim, next item
14:18:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
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14:18:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:19:16 <becky> MichaelC :  1 comment
14:19:17 <MichaelC> subtopic: Add linkage between attributes and HTML-AAM
14:19:17 <MichaelC> - comment: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/8055
14:19:17 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/127
14:19:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> * Lionel says to all abashed, I'll take my tardy slip
14:19:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:19:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/06-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:20:08 <becky> MichaelC : believe this is specific to ARIA and I can raise with that group
14:20:37 <becky> janina: is there overlap with Adapt group?
14:21:02 <becky> MichaelC : this is about attributes so mechanism would be the same for adapt
14:21:46 <becky> janina: adapt will be asking for attribute(s); agree with Michael that we just need to flag to ARIA group; no need for APA to track
14:22:12 <becky> zakim, next item
14:22:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:22:28 <MichaelC> subtopic: Core-AAM 1.2
14:22:28 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/33
14:22:28 <MichaelC> - draft: https://w3c.github.io/core-aam/
14:22:49 <becky> MichaelC : Core-AAM 1.2 horizontal review request; assume we can say no need to review
14:23:05 <becky> janina: agree, we trust ARIA group review
14:23:20 <becky> no further input from group
14:23:36 <MichaelC> subtopic: Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning
14:23:36 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Ethical_Principles_for_Web_Machine_Learning
14:23:36 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/
14:24:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:24:12 <becky> MichaelC : ethical principles for web machine learning; several people participated in pre-publication development of document; Is an interesting read but I don't think we need to review
14:24:51 <becky> janina: I suspect there are several folks who will review, myself included;
14:25:24 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : I think there are accessibility implications.
14:25:53 <becky> MichaelC : clarifies - are a11y implication in machine learning or the ethical principles?
14:26:22 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : seems related to a11y and that we might want to review but do appreciate that it isn't technical a11y
14:27:02 <becky> janina: I think RQTF is better suited to review this one - they can dig deeper into items than we can on this call
14:27:35 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : I agree RQTF is a great group to incubate topics within
14:28:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:28:30 <becky> MichaelC : I encourage everyone to read/review.  APA was asked to review - are there additional ethical principles to avoid a11y holes?
14:28:59 <becky> janina: I support people reading this document
14:29:46 <becky> janina: if you have comments post to the APA list but will ask RQTF for deeper review
14:30:05 <becky> janina: may want feedback/review from Jutta T.
14:30:18 <becky> MichaelC : I will mark this as active and move to RQTF
14:30:27 <MichaelC> subtopic: Multi-Screen Window Placement
14:30:27 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement
14:30:27 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/window-placement/
14:30:32 <becky> MichaelC : multi-screen window placement
14:31:06 <becky> MichaelC : has api to allow you to position web content in a particular window on a different screen
14:31:27 <becky> MichaelC : could be highly technical or an issue for a11y
14:32:05 <becky> janina: it could be helpful - could have one screen magnified if needed;
14:32:52 <becky> MichaelC : spec provides way to get info about screens in use; probably worth a look by someone who is versed in low vision
14:33:10 <becky> Fredrik: I will look at it
14:33:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:33:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> * Lionel to all, no IRC issues here
14:33:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:34:00 <mike_beganyi> q?
14:34:02 <mike_beganyi> q+
14:36:29 <becky> ACTION: Fredrik to review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement due 1 month
14:36:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2327 - Review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/multi-screen_window_placement due 1 month [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-07-13].
14:36:40 <becky> q?
14:36:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:37:04 <becky> mike_beganyi : I can look at it as well
14:37:24 <becky> ACTION: Mike_beganyi to review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement due 1 month
14:37:25 <trackbot> Error finding 'Mike_beganyi'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/users>.
14:37:46 <becky> ACTION: beganyi to review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement due 1 month
14:37:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2328 - Review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/multi-screen_window_placement due 1 month [on Mike Beganyi - due 2022-07-13].
14:37:59 <becky> q?
14:38:03 <becky> ack mike
14:38:18 <MichaelC> subtopic: RequestIdleCallback() Cooperative Scheduling of Background Tasks
14:38:18 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/RequestIdleCallback()_Cooperative_Scheduling_of_Background_Tasks
14:38:18 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/requestidlecallback/
14:38:47 <becky> MichaelC : request idle callback scheduling background tasks - don't believe we need to review (reads abstract)
14:39:18 <becky> MichaelC : relates to media but believe it is low level
14:40:25 <becky> fredrik:  people writing collaborative tools requirements may want to review; one of the main issues with AT and collaborative tools is overlap
14:40:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:41:12 <becky> MichaelC : this doc. is intended to avoid issues due to processing overload
14:41:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> q-
14:41:47 <becky> MichaelC : assuming that we just need to notify RQTF and CAUR (collaborative) group
14:41:51 <becky> zakim, next item
14:41:51 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
14:42:15 <MichaelC> subtopic: MiniApp Manifest
14:42:15 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/28
14:42:15 <MichaelC> - tr: https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-manifest/
14:42:36 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/49
14:42:47 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-manifest/#accessibility-considerations
14:42:55 <becky> roy: I have reviewed; they offered self check for a11y and added an a11y considerations section that looks good
14:43:19 <becky> janina: I will also review the accessibility considerations section
14:43:47 <becky> MichaelC : will leave open until Janina reviews
14:43:52 <becky> subtopic: MiniApp lifecycle
14:43:58 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-lifecycle/
14:44:05 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/27
14:44:47 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-lifecycle/#accessibility-considerations
14:45:01 <becky> roy: I reviewed this - it is low level spec. related to lifecycle items; there is an accessibility considerations section but don't believe it is needed
14:45:50 <becky> janina: believe we can sign off;
14:46:17 <becky> zakim, next item
14:46:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:46:53 <becky> subtopic: wai-adapt
14:48:08 <becky> janina: believe we will recommend moving CR request forward at next meeting; expect a CfC coming soon; with luck we will publish on the anniversary of the US ADA
14:48:35 <becky> zakim, next item
14:48:35 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
14:48:42 <becky> q?
14:48:59 <becky> janina: asks the group - any actions to update?
14:49:08 <becky> crickets - no comments
14:49:14 <becky> zakim, close this item
14:49:14 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:49:15 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:49:15 <Zakim> 8. Other Business [from janina]
14:49:21 <becky> zakim, next item
14:49:21 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
14:49:53 <becky> janina: will cover TPAC here; still working on getting emails out to other group chairs to schedule meetings
14:50:38 <becky> janina: TPAC registration page is open; very good hotel rates for a lengthy periods; APA will be busy at TPAC
14:51:00 <becky> q?
14:51:13 <becky> zakim, next item
14:51:13 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Be Done -- taken up [from janina]
14:51:26 <becky> zakim, close this item
14:51:26 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
14:51:27 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
14:51:34 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/07/06-apa-minutes.html becky
14:52:08 <becky> zakim, bye
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14:52:08 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Matthew_Atkinson, MichaelC, Alisa_Smith, mike_beganyi, becky, ToddL, Roy, Lionel_Wolberger
14:52:18 <becky> rrsagent, bye
14:52:18 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/07/06-apa-actions.rdf :
14:52:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Fredrik to review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement due 1 month [1]
14:52:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/07/06-apa-irc#T14-36-29
14:52:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike_beganyi to review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement due 1 month [2]
14:52:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/07/06-apa-irc#T14-37-24
14:52:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: beganyi to review multiple screens  https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Multi-Screen_Window_Placement due 1 month [3]
14:52:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/07/06-apa-irc#T14-37-46