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17:02:06 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
17:02:07 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
17:02:12 <jamesn> agendabot, find agenda
17:02:12 <agendabot> jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
17:02:12 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/2b92a902-1365-4ea0-8c68-9f8ae2106fe3/20220630T130000
17:02:12 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:02:12 <agendabot> agenda+  -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3Aa6TaC
17:02:13 <agendabot> agenda+  -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3QZuIIu
17:02:15 <agendabot> agenda+  -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates
17:02:18 <agendabot> agenda+  -> Does aria-hidden obey DOM or AX tree ancestors? https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1714
17:02:21 <agendabot> agenda+  -> 1.3 triage https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22+sort%3Acreated-asc
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17:03:45 <spectranaut> present+
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17:04:28 <chlane> regrets+ ari
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17:04:41 <chlane> zakim, next agendum
17:04:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3Aa6TaC -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:05:07 <chlane> cynthia called in from phone
17:05:12 <arigilmore_> regrets D.A. Kahn
17:05:23 <chlane> sorry Ari oops
17:05:33 <jamesn> regrets+ DAKahn
17:05:56 <jcraig> regrets- D.A. Kahn
17:06:08 <jamesn> regrets- ari
17:06:18 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
17:06:18 <Zakim> Present: pkra, jamesn, spectranaut, StefanS, aaronlev
17:06:24 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/30-aria-minutes.html jcraig
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17:08:20 <chlane> jamesn: aria #1760 in 1.3
17:08:22 <CurtBellew> present+
17:08:33 <chlane> do we need to tell UA's how to resolve error
17:08:36 <chlane> ?
17:08:44 <chlane> mostly for chrome
17:09:09 <chlane> gone off spec for good reasons exposing some children that have presentational true on them
17:09:24 <chlane> arigilmore_: html buttons can take inputs
17:09:51 <chlane> s/arigilmore/jamesC/
17:10:03 <chlane> jcraig: be loose in what you accept
17:10:10 <chlane> browser should not truncate content
17:10:16 <chlane> jamesn: need button group role
17:10:22 <chlane> where outside is focusable
17:10:29 <chlane> bryang
17:10:38 <chlane> please no
17:10:51 <chlane> Bryan put anything in antything
17:10:52 <jcraig> s/jcraig:/aaronlev:/
17:10:55 <chlane> a can of worms
17:11:03 <chlane> bryan it won't work
17:11:30 <chlane> jamesn: 1.3? authors must not do this
17:11:34 <jcraig> s/bryang/bryang:/
17:11:43 <chlane> zakim, next agendum
17:11:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3QZuIIu -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:11:53 <chlane> zakim, next agendum
17:11:53 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, chlane
17:11:53 <jamesn> zakim, close this issue
17:11:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close this issue', jamesn
17:12:01 <jamesn> zakim, close this item
17:12:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
17:12:02 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:12:02 <Zakim> 3. -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates [from agendabot]
17:12:16 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:12:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> Deep Dive planning https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:12:49 <chlane> aaronlev: popup issue
17:12:58 <chlane> how to map html popup
17:13:01 <chlane> three values
17:13:16 <chlane> opens auto, opens hover, manually opened by author
17:13:27 <chlane> important grouping needs expression
17:13:47 <chlane> aaronlev: ok to have minimal role
17:14:08 <chlane> jamesn: is there an issue for this?
17:14:35 <chlane> slightlyoff: make it an html aam issue
17:14:47 <chlane> who do you think needs to be in the Deep dive?
17:15:17 <chlane> scotto, aaronlev , jcraig  and anyone who wants to
17:15:32 <chlane> jcraig: in the next 3 weeks
17:15:48 <aaronlev> https://github.com/openui/open-ui/issues/495#issuecomment-1152672304
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17:16:00 <aaronlev> We need to map what is proposed in that open ui issue ^
17:17:21 <chlane> jamesn: popoup deep dive in the next 3 weeks?
17:17:33 <chlane> slightlyoff: should work
17:17:38 <chlane> jcraig: should work
17:17:54 <chlane> jamesn: modals? discuss in the next three weeks
17:18:11 <chlane> Bryan, next week come? Yes
17:18:29 <chlane> Bryan can come next Thursday
17:19:45 <chlane> jamesn: should we do modals as well in the next 3 weeks?
17:19:50 <chlane> next week
17:20:06 <chlane> zakim, next agendum
17:20:06 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> Does aria-hidden obey DOM or AX tree ancestors? https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1714 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:20:55 <chlane> aaronlev: we agreed it is resolved
17:21:03 <siri_> present+
17:21:09 <chlane> aaronlev: aria owns is ignored if source is aria hidden
17:21:26 <chlane> aaronlev: wrote up how chrome implements aria owns
17:21:37 <chlane> cycles and things that shouldn't exist in tree
17:21:44 <chlane> image maps cause problems
17:21:51 <chlane> can share the link to that
17:21:56 <aaronlev> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jhztcbvUWS4_QGtKmWMxVBLnMkl5ZAAqRCVTcLfdl4o/edit#
17:22:05 <aaronlev> aria-owns implementation in Chrome ^
17:22:10 <chlane> jcraig: also linked to webkit bug
17:22:23 <chlane> jcraig: something worth doing in aria repo as well
17:22:34 <chlane> jcraig: wiki can be moved to aria resourcd
17:22:51 <chlane> s/resourcd/resource/g
17:23:15 <chlane> jcraig: keep a live separate informative doc
17:23:23 <chlane> jamesn: could be more evergreen
17:23:52 <chlane> aaronlev: linked to chrome tests
17:24:08 <chlane> useful to run just to see if they don't crash
17:24:18 <chlane> jamesn: make sure we have concensus
17:24:23 <chlane> zakim, next agendum
17:24:23 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- -> 1.3 triage https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22ARIA+1.3%22+sort%3Acreated-asc -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:24:55 <chlane> 103 issues
17:25:03 <chlane> need prioritization
17:25:06 <chlane> punt some
17:25:19 <chlane> reduce/prioritize somehow
17:25:26 <chlane> must vs. nice to have
17:25:45 <chlane> currently 6 blocking issues
17:26:50 <chlane> 1365 need to resolve in next version
17:27:01 <chlane> jamesn:#1159
17:27:22 <chlane> assinged to Sina
17:27:45 <chlane> spectranaut: took 1159
17:28:18 <chlane> aaronlev: issues need grouping
17:28:28 <chlane> jamesn: haven't had a chance
17:29:03 <chlane> spectranaut: people can look at all the issues that are assigned to them
17:29:21 <chlane> we can look together at it
17:29:51 <chlane> jamesn: 1.3 has braille and annotation stuff
17:30:00 <chlane> jamesn: time to move on
17:30:15 <chlane> aaronlev: some can be punted to 1.4
17:30:24 <chlane> aaronlev: do a bulk edit lol
17:31:16 <chlane> aaronlev: need project manager
17:31:23 <chlane> spectranaut: me and jamesn
17:31:54 <chlane> spectranaut: go to ARIA 1.3 project
17:32:05 <chlane> go to the board
17:32:19 <chlane> ARIA 1.3
17:33:00 <chlane> spectranaut: what to we think of the idea of deciding on what is important on 1.3?
17:33:32 <chlane> do we have any document that defines high priority
17:34:13 <chlane> caller, likes making it very easy
17:34:42 <chlane> jamesn: proirities. low medium
17:34:49 <chlane> use labels
17:35:04 <chlane> aaronlev: blocking, clarification
17:35:16 <chlane> knitpicks
17:35:32 <chlane> jamesn: what about a feature to support something in openUI
17:35:47 <chlane> aaronlev: openUI issues are AAM issues
17:35:58 <chlane> otherwise the trains leaves the station
17:36:02 <aaronlev> high author impact
17:36:14 <chlane> jamesn: external dependencies are different
17:36:25 <chlane> jamesn: clarify tagging strategy
17:36:38 <chlane> aaronlev: we have "deepdive"
17:36:59 <aaronlev> f2f candidate
17:36:59 <chlane> jamesn: F2F candidate
17:37:03 <chlane> meet with APA
17:37:35 <chlane> meeting room at a bar?
17:38:12 <chlane> jamesn: better use present labels?
17:38:30 <chlane> jamesn: lets come up with something
17:38:41 <chlane> low, medium, high
17:38:51 <chlane> than they can triage
17:39:01 <chlane> spectranaut: thats one idea
17:39:15 <chlane> spectranaut: aarons idea is different
17:39:19 <chlane> grouping
17:39:29 <chlane> jamesn: need new tags
17:39:46 <chlane> spectranaut: call it 'prioritize:'
17:40:07 <chlane> jamesn: reuse, we have to make sure as a group we have concensus
17:40:25 <chlane> spectranaut: have everyone use a tag like '1.3:'
17:41:31 <chlane> jamesn: lets go through some issues
17:41:53 <chlane> jamesn: #1760 restrict aria-owns
17:42:13 <aaronlev> so far we have: blocking, clarification, nitpick, open-ui-coordination, deepdive, f2f-candidate, high-author-impact, high-user-impact
17:42:22 <chlane> labels, 1.3-Clarification
17:42:34 <chlane> jamesn: I think its clarification
17:42:50 <chlane> aaronlev: added blocking, clarification, nitpick, open-ui-coordination, deepdive, f2f-candidate, high-author-impact, high-user-impact
17:43:11 <aaronlev> editorial, good-first-issue
17:43:33 <chlane> jamesn: we don't need release number
17:43:44 <aaronlev> get rid of clarification, we can use editorial
17:43:47 <chlane> spectranaut: editorial
17:44:00 <chlane> no tests no core-aam
17:44:10 <chlane> editorial doesn't change anything
17:44:25 <chlane> clarification is more complicated then editorial
17:45:18 <chlane> #1758 is clarification
17:45:29 <chlane> jamesn: 1758 is complicated
17:45:56 <chlane> #1732 suffix elements for IDL attributes
17:46:08 <chlane> jcraig: need a solid day for this
17:46:15 <chlane> jcraig: on his list
17:47:22 <chlane> jamesn: I did a PR for it
17:47:40 <chlane> #1680
17:47:50 <chlane> clarification
17:48:13 <chlane> jamesn: everything is clarification
17:48:26 <chlane> jamesn: is it useful to label as clarification?
17:48:51 <chlane> spectranaut: if its clarification individuals can punt to 1.4?
17:49:06 <chlane> jamesn: clarification (high medium low)?
17:49:22 <chlane> aaronlev: we already have good stuff in 1.3
17:49:34 <chlane> if it has a pr we should finish it
17:49:44 <chlane> spectranaut: we still want to tag the issues
17:49:51 <chlane> some won't be clarification
17:50:09 <chlane> if you can fix quickly create a PR
17:50:34 <chlane> spectranaut: label as goodfirstbug
17:50:41 <chlane> when possible
17:51:02 <chlane> clarification and nitpick, multiple lables
17:51:33 <chlane> spend last ten minutes
17:51:43 <chlane> propose to take issues
17:52:01 <chlane> aaronlev: what about AAM issues?
17:52:19 <chlane> jamesn: you, cythia, joannie and valerie
17:52:26 <chlane> scott has all html-aam ones
17:52:41 <chlane> start by triaging the ARIA ones
17:53:03 <chlane> most don't know whats going on in AAM
17:53:14 <chlane> jcraig:
17:53:28 <chlane> issue had a PR then was reopened, #1365
17:53:39 <chlane> should I create a new issue?
17:53:59 <chlane> jamesn: yes create a new issue
17:54:31 <chlane> create 1761
17:54:47 <chlane> s/create/created/
17:54:54 <chlane> s/create/created/g
17:56:38 <chlane> spectranaut: examples of high user impact or high author impact?
17:56:59 <chlane> aaronlev: whether a property should be now supported on a given role
17:57:57 <chlane> aaronlev: role-dialog aria-modal=true, focus ...
17:58:05 <chlane> chromium bug
17:58:14 <chlane> #1487
17:58:32 <chlane> jamesn: 1487 high user impact
17:59:18 <chlane> aaronlev: need a vacation again lol
17:59:30 <chlane>  rrsagent, make minutes
17:59:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/30-aria-minutes.html chlane
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19:52:19 <jamesn> zakim, leave
19:52:19 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been pkra, jamesn, spectranaut, StefanS, aaronlev, CurtBellew, siri_
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19:52:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items