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14:06:57 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
14:07:00 <kaz> topic: Mintues
14:07:14 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-td-minutes.html June-22
14:07:27 <kaz> chair: Sebastian
14:07:48 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Jan_Romann, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool
14:12:35 <kaz> approved
14:13:07 <kaz> topic: CR Transition
14:13:42 <kaz> sk: wait until the results of the next Testfest in July (July 25-29)
14:15:20 <kaz> ... CR resolution on August 3
14:15:33 <kaz> topic: PRs
14:15:48 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1549
14:16:21 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1549 PR 1549 - Add husky pre-commit for rendering
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14:16:29 <kaz> sk: Ege is not here
14:16:34 <kaz> ... also not an urgent PR
14:16:42 <kaz> ... so let's defer to the next call
14:16:43 <cris_> +1
14:16:55 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Erich_Barnstedt
14:17:02 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:17:08 <kaz> mm: sure
14:17:57 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1552
14:18:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1552 PR 1552 - Add informative text and an example for relative tm:ref
14:19:08 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/1552/780da07...JKRhb:32011f0.html diff
14:19:42 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/JKRhb/wot-thing-description/pull/1552.html#td-model-example-relative-tmRef preview - Example 56
14:19:42 <cris_> q+
14:20:09 <kaz> sk: "tm:ref": "#/properties/genericTemperature"
14:20:26 <kaz> jr: should be OK
14:22:22 <kaz> ca: delegation is not described there
14:22:35 <kaz> jr: could be clarified
14:22:51 <kaz> ca: other than that, the PR is OK
14:22:59 <kaz> ... we can create another issue
14:23:43 <kaz> s/delegation/derivation/
14:24:27 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/JKRhb/wot-thing-description/pull/1552.html#thing-model-td-generation 9.4 Derivation of Thing Description Instances
14:24:39 <kaz> sk: Cristiano, can you create an issue about that?
14:24:42 <kaz> ca: will do
14:27:28 <kaz> sk: some trouble with the Repo Manager
14:28:07 <kaz> kaz: would suggest you check the account setting to make sure
14:28:16 <kaz> sk: but can merge it :)
14:28:20 <kaz> (merged)
14:28:32 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1555
14:28:54 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1555 PR 1555 - add missing rfc-2119 keyowrds
14:29:09 <kaz> sk: small edit fixing the RFC 2119 keywords
14:29:11 <kaz> (merged)
14:30:31 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1523 related Issue 1523 - Missing RFC-2119 Keywords in Assertions
14:30:59 <kaz> (closed)
14:31:06 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1558
14:31:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1558 PR 1558 - WIP: addresses CR 1.1 candidate review from Oracle
14:31:30 <kaz> (keep it open)
14:31:40 <kaz> topic: Issues
14:31:45 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1554
14:32:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1554 Issue 1554 - Further Improve Discussion of Secure Transport in Security Schemes
14:32:14 <kaz> mm: some schemes are less secure that TLS
14:32:38 <kaz> ... right now the description is binary
14:32:43 <kaz> ... but should be relative
14:33:09 <kaz> ... right now TLS is required
14:33:15 <kaz> ... other than "nosec"
14:33:58 <kaz> ... Security TF will discuss it
14:34:21 <kaz> ... likely a PR for improvement
14:34:25 <kaz> sk: ok
14:34:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1554#issuecomment-1170062750 Sebastian's comments
14:34:48 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1556
14:35:22 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1556 Issue 1556 - Flexible character for instanceName in Thing Model definition
14:36:05 <kaz> sk: Example 59 shows examples of different Thing Models
14:37:10 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#example-59 Example 59
14:37:52 <kaz> sk: don't think we should have the assertion after Example 59 saying:
14:37:53 <kaz> [[
14:37:53 <kaz> If it is desired to provide information that a Thing Model consists of one or more (sub-)Thing Models, the links entries MUST use the "rel":"tm:submodel" that targets to the (sub-) Thing Models. Optionally an instanceName MAY be provided to associate an individual name to the composed (sub-) Thing Model.
14:37:54 <kaz> ]]
14:38:23 <kaz> q+
14:38:33 <kaz> ack c
14:40:00 <kaz> kaz: we should have some clear policy about the notation
14:40:15 <kaz> ... and that should be decided based on implementers' feedback
14:40:24 <kaz> sk: already had some feedback
14:40:49 <kaz> ... think TD should be open about the notation
14:42:33 <kaz> kaz: ok
14:43:14 <kaz> ... probably we should have some more discussion on WoT implementers and other related spec implementers
14:43:34 <kaz> ... we can't force any specific coding style at the moment, though
14:44:08 <kaz> ... maybe we can generate a separate Note on the best practices for TD coding
14:44:11 <kaz> sk: yeah
14:44:13 <kaz> ack k
14:44:39 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:44:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:45:00 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1556#issuecomment-1170074558 Sebastian's comments
14:45:11 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1530
14:45:43 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1530 Issue 1530 - Overlapping fields between DataSchema, InteractionAffordance and few concrete elements
14:46:58 <kaz> sk: @type, title, titles, description, descriptions are commonly used for InteractionAffordance and DataSchema
14:47:24 <kaz> ... Ege described the history
14:47:54 <kaz> q+
14:48:48 <kaz> sk: when we work on the next version, we could consider more precise definition
14:48:54 <kaz> ... but can't do anything for 1.1
14:48:58 <cris_> q+
14:49:58 <kaz> kaz: from my viewpoint, the important point is clarity of definition
14:50:16 <kaz> ... we could specify namespaces for each vocabulary strictly if we need
14:50:37 <kaz> ... don't think we need to change the vocabulary at this stage
14:50:47 <kaz> ca: agree with the need for clarity
14:50:48 <kaz> ack k
14:50:49 <kaz> ack c
14:53:08 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1530#issuecomment-1170083647 Sebastian's comments
14:53:51 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1557
14:54:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1557 Issue 1557 - Missing keywords for "in" property in "APIKeySecurityScheme"
14:54:12 <kaz> sk: missing definition
14:54:22 <kaz> jr: 2 missing values there
14:55:00 <kaz> ca: probably we didn't synchronize them
14:55:36 <kaz> jr: Fady also mentioned "uri" and "auto"
14:55:49 <kaz> mm: "auto" belongs to everywhere
14:56:10 <kaz> ... let's make a PR, and I can review it during the Security TF call
14:57:22 <kaz> ... adding "uri" would make sense, though
14:58:11 <kaz> s/though/though "auto" should not/
14:58:57 <kaz> ... the spec and the schema should be consistent
14:59:38 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#bearersecurityscheme TD draft - 5.3.3.8 BearerSecurityScheme
14:59:52 <kaz> mm: let's fix the schema to make it consistent with the spec
15:00:13 <kaz> ... let's once add "auto" as well
15:01:44 <kaz> kaz: so Ege is encouraged to create a PR including "uri" and "auto" for the schema, and the Security TF will review it. right?
15:02:05 <kaz> mm: the schema should be consistent with the spec
15:02:09 <kaz> ... so we'll review it
15:02:26 <kaz> [adjourned]
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