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11:08:44 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
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11:09:07 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kaz_Ashimura
11:09:09 <kaz> chair: Lagally
11:11:50 <McCool> topic: minutes
11:11:58 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
11:12:02 <McCool> ml: review of 06/22 minutes
11:12:19 <kaz> i|review|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-profile-minutes.html June-22|
11:13:09 <McCool> ml: note that I cleaned up and merged some things we decided on last week
11:14:18 <kaz> s/topic: minutes/topic: Agenda/
11:14:27 <kaz> s|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-profile-minutes.html June-22||
11:14:44 <kaz> topic: Minutes
11:14:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-profile-minutes.html June-22
11:15:37 <McCool> ml: reviewed a lot of issues at a high level, will drill down on some of these a bit more today
11:16:40 <McCool> mm: also, for the agenda, suggest we don't spend too much time on length limits, other things are higher priority
11:16:44 <McCool> ml: agree
11:16:51 <McCool> ml: publish if no objections?
11:16:58 <McCool> ... hearing none, will publish
11:17:13 <McCool> topic: PR 198
11:17:20 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#WoT_Architecture_.28Profile.29_-_June_29th.2C_2022
11:17:22 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/235
11:18:21 <kaz> s/PR 198/PR 235/
11:18:26 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
11:18:27 <McCool> ml: event payload format, has a lot of merge conflict, have created new PR 235
11:18:45 <kaz> s/235/235 PR 235 - CloudEvents as message payload format for WebHooks/
11:18:47 <McCool> ... note there is however a lot of useful discussion under the old PR
11:18:57 <McCool> ... will close, but will link back to it from the new PR
11:19:45 <kaz> i|event payload|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/198 original PR 198 (closed due to merge conflicts) - WIP: event payload format|
11:19:48 <McCool> ml: issue with multiple devices talking to the same cloud endpoint, single listener, multiple "speakers"
11:20:28 <McCool> ... message has to convey device; also timestamp, affordance (event source), data payload, etc.
11:20:52 <McCool> ... naive approach would be to define a JSON schema for the message format
11:21:19 <McCool> ... but if you look at what cloud companies do, there is already a format for this purpose
11:21:55 <McCool> mm: is this the *only* format being used?
11:22:32 <McCool> ml: not aware of any other public standard used broadly
11:24:00 <McCool> mm: note this constrains not onl the Things but the cloud endpoints
11:24:17 <McCool> ml: correct, this is for webhooks also (not just SSE)
11:24:45 <McCool> s/(not just SSE)//
11:26:45 <McCool> mm: a little worried about the formality of the cloud events spec, also versioning
11:26:52 <McCool> ml: is versioned
11:27:18 <McCool> mm: ok, but I think we should also have enough information in our spec to be clear even if the cloud events spec goes away
11:28:37 <McCool> mm: ok with merging if others are
11:30:03 <McCool> mm: what is the minimum implementation?
11:30:21 <McCool> ml: less than ten attributes in a message
11:31:12 <McCool> mm: actually, count only 5 attributes that are mandatory
11:31:46 <McCool> ml: if no other questions, will merge
11:31:52 <McCool> topic: PR 233
11:32:01 <McCool> ml: constrained set of link relation types
11:34:11 <McCool> mm: also think we may want to limit the media types
11:34:21 <McCool> ml: and also make the type mandatory
11:34:50 <kaz> s/PR 233/Issue 233/
11:35:07 <kaz> i|constrained|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/233 Issue 233 - Define a constrained set of link relation types|
11:35:45 <McCool> mm: also, tm:* relations are allowed?  Are TMs covered by profiles?
11:36:25 <McCool> mm: also, TMs are definitely going into the TD spec now
11:38:49 <McCool> ml: not clear about manifest
11:38:58 <McCool> ... which refers to a UI
11:41:05 <McCool> mm: ben may have some input on, WebThings tends to return HTML for affordances unless requested otherwise
11:42:20 <McCool> mm: if we DO support manifest, I think we should be specific about the type is points to
11:42:28 <McCool> ml: but we can leave it out for now
11:42:31 <McCool> mm: agree
11:42:52 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#link TD draft - 5.3.4.1 Link
11:42:56 <McCool> ml: also "alternate" has a number of examples of different representations
11:44:38 <McCool> mm: my preference would be to insist on JSON-LD serializations of TDs in profiles
11:45:37 <McCool> ml: so "alternate" does not make sense
11:45:47 <McCool> ... let me make a note about that
11:48:21 <McCool> ml: anyway, these six are the suggested types
11:48:47 <McCool> ... I will do a PR if there are no other volunteers
11:49:01 <McCool> topic: issue 232
11:49:09 <McCool> ml: minimum set of supported languages
11:49:38 <McCool> ml: could look at locales supported by Java
11:50:36 <McCool> mm: might also want to look at browser support, take the intersection
11:52:58 <McCool> ... suggest we ask i18n team, and can also label, tag @aphillips, etc.
11:56:54 <McCool> topic: cleanup
11:57:07 <McCool> ml: merged impl report, that is done
11:57:42 <McCool> ml: PR 207 updates the JSON Schema ref
11:58:07 <kaz> i|PR 207|subtopic: PR 207|
11:58:22 <kaz> i|PR 207|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/207 PR 207 - updating JSON Schema Validation reference|
11:58:38 <McCool> mm: just make sure this is not changing from the version used in the TD spec
11:58:49 <kaz> i|merged impl|subtopic: PR 227|
11:59:07 <kaz> i|merged impl|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/227 PR 227 - Update Implementation Report|
11:59:16 <McCool> ... I'm not even sure we need this in profiles if TD specifies it
11:59:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:59:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:59:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/29-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:00:44 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:00:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:00:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/29-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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