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12:01:49 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:02:10 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:02:17 <kaz> present+ Meiyu_Hao
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12:04:11 <McCool_> topic: regrets
12:04:22 <kaz> present+ Erich_Barnstedt, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:24 <McCool_> seb: Daniel and Ege are not available
12:04:30 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:04:30 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Meiyu_Hao, Erich_Barnstedt, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:51 <McCool_> topic: guests
12:05:01 <McCool_> no guests
12:05:11 <McCool_> topic: minutes review
12:05:26 <McCool_> seb: review June 22 minutes
12:05:47 <kaz> i|review|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-minutes.html June-22|
12:05:58 <kaz> i/no guests/scribenick: McCool_/
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12:07:33 <McCool_> seb: (reviews minutes) - cancellations, TPAC, wide review, testfest schedule, impl report updates and fixes
12:07:44 <McCool_> mm: issues in profile have been fixed, BTW
12:08:05 <McCool_> seb: Japanese CG, CG charter discussion, TF updates
12:08:37 <McCool_> seb: asking for comments on WoT CG charter, will discuss next week in Marketing calll
12:09:16 <McCool_> mm: ideally join the Marketing call next week, will discuss WoT CG charter then
12:09:22 <McCool_> seb: any objections to publishing?
12:09:28 <McCool_> ... hearing none, will publish
12:09:34 <McCool_> topic: updates
12:09:51 <McCool_> seb: testfest conflicts with holiday in Japan
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12:11:06 <McCool_> mm: no holidays the week of 25th in Japan or Europe
12:11:23 <McCool_> proposal: Change date of Testfest to occur during the week of July 25
12:11:44 <McCool_> resolution: Change date of Testfest to occur during the week of July 25
12:14:28 <sebastian> q?
12:14:28 <McCool_> seb: next, joint call with SDW-WG
12:15:01 <McCool_> mm: working on updating proposal, but as a heads-up I intend to propose a geolocation ontology for WoT in the next charter
12:15:16 <McCool_> seb: next, draft charter, needs to be updated
12:15:26 <McCool_> kaz: talked to PLH, working on it, and process
12:16:03 <McCool_> seb: next, cancellations
12:16:16 <McCool_> mm: will create update for next Jul 19 DTDL meeting
12:16:45 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:17:07 <McCool_> mm: what should we do to prep for the DTDL meeting?
12:17:09 <sebastian> q+
12:18:21 <McCool_> eb: already sent link to latest spec in presentation I sent, we should start there
12:18:45 <McCool_> seb: I did already a comparison a while ago, I will have to find these slides and update
12:19:20 <sebastian> ack s
12:19:26 <McCool_> ... but I think was based on DTDL 1.0, so needs to update; but will bring to meeting
12:19:37 <kaz> q?
12:19:41 <kaz> q+ mlagally
12:19:45 <kaz> ack m
12:20:06 <McCool_> ml: did a quick search for DTDL on web; but when will 3.0 be available, and under what licensing terms?
12:20:43 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
12:20:49 <McCool_> mm: in general this group cannot do NDAs, so we have to wait for it to be public
12:22:42 <McCool_> eb: DTDL 3.0, have asked product team, but expect release date only in Sept (but not confirmed)
12:22:47 <McCool_> ml: same license?
12:22:51 <McCool_> eb: that is the plan
12:23:01 <McCool_> topic: TPAC
12:23:15 <kaz> q+
12:23:25 <McCool_> seb: looking at doodle, looking for slots that will work
12:23:41 <McCool_> ... would be good to have more input
12:23:42 <McCool_> q+
12:23:44 <sebastian> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e3lEqLpa
12:23:46 <kaz> i|look|-> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e3lEqLpa doodle to identify good slots|
12:23:52 <kaz> q- later
12:25:16 <kaz> ack m
12:25:47 <McCool_> mm: suggest we grab the early morning times on Monday and Wednesday as proposed
12:26:45 <McCool_> seb: suggest we make a decision and put into the calendar
12:27:36 <McCool_> ... would like to wait until next week to ask Ege and Daniel
12:27:52 <McCool_> mm: would prefer to do it now, to head off conflicts
12:28:05 <McCool_> kaz: already got a reminder from the event team
12:28:16 <McCool_> ... also need to identify slots for joint calls
12:29:04 <McCool_> mm: suggest we prioritize joint calls during TPAC
12:29:40 <kaz> (and group internal discussion during the previous week)
12:30:27 <McCool_> proposal: Request timeslots for WoT group meetings during TPAC on Monday Sept 12 from 8-10am Pacific and Wednesday Sept 14 from 8-10am Pacific.
12:33:17 <McCool_> resolution: Request timeslots for WoT group meetings during TPAC on Monday Sept 12 from 8-10am Pacific and Wednesday Sept 14 from 8-10am Pacific.
12:34:45 <McCool_> action: kaz to create a wiki page for TPAC 2022
12:35:05 <McCool_> mm: we can use the wiki to start tracking who will be there in person
12:35:12 <McCool_> seb: joint calls
12:35:23 <McCool_> ... SDW-WG not at TPAC
12:35:38 <McCool_> ... McCool to contact DID, Sebastian to contact JSON-LD
12:35:57 <McCool_> ... JSON-LD looking at signing, but also YAML support
12:36:23 <McCool_> ... and also RDF* constructs
12:36:33 <McCool_> ... kaz will contact Automotive
12:36:46 <kaz> s/will contact/is talking with/
12:37:00 <McCool_> mm: registration is still not open for TPAC
12:38:16 <McCool_> topic: publications
12:40:01 <McCool_> mm: architecture ready for CR candidate?
12:40:13 <McCool_> ml: some pending PRs, let's defer to next week
12:40:28 <McCool_> seb: regarding wide review, not seeing anything
12:40:41 <kaz> q?
12:40:42 <kaz> ack k
12:40:48 <McCool_> seb: regarding TD WD update publication, have static version now
12:41:09 <McCool_> ... see TD PR #780
12:41:40 <McCool_> seb: think we are ready to move forward to CR transition
12:41:59 <kaz> i/architecture ready/subtopic: Architecture/
12:42:13 <kaz> i/regarding wide/subtopic: Wide reviews/
12:42:27 <kaz> i/regarding TD/subtopic: Thing Description/
12:42:32 <McCool_> mm: when should we call the question for CR transition?
12:42:50 <McCool_> seb: in one or two weeks, can discuss in TD call.
12:43:15 <McCool_> mm: I personally would be ok with two weeks
12:43:35 <kaz> q|
12:43:41 <kaz> s/q|//
12:43:42 <kaz> q+
12:43:56 <McCool_> seb: then would like to have a resolution in two weeks for CR transition
12:44:02 <McCool_> ... for TD spec
12:44:44 <McCool_> mm: issue is right now there are still a lot of at-risk items
12:45:24 <kaz> s/#780/#1517/
12:45:30 <McCool_> ... if we wait until after testfest would be better, e.g. July 30 or so
12:45:45 <kaz> i|think we are|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1517 PR 1517 - Create CR Candidate Working Draft for publication|
12:46:04 <kaz> ack k
12:46:14 <McCool_> mm: or rather, Aug 3 if we want to use results from testfest
12:48:03 <McCool_> seb: also think we should aim for Aug 3 for the other specs
12:48:16 <McCool_> mm: agree; Discovery is also in good shape for that
12:49:37 <McCool_> ... but cleaning up testing still needed
12:50:00 <McCool_> mm: as for other testing things, implementation reports are improved
12:50:08 <McCool_> seb: but still some issues with testing TMs
12:50:23 <McCool_> mm: will discuss details in testing call
12:50:34 <McCool_> topic: charter extensions
12:52:10 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978
12:52:22 <McCool_> mm: suggest we start collecting topics on the TPAC wiki when it is ready
12:52:31 <McCool_> ... please still use the issue to add suggestions
12:52:39 <McCool_> topic: OPC UA meeting
12:52:39 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:52:49 <McCool_> seb: planned for Friday, there is first version of pres
12:52:54 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/liaisons/opcf/2022-07-01-OPC-UA-WOT-Pre-Meeting.pdf
12:53:02 <kaz> s/978/978 wot Issue 978 - Goals and Deliverable Discussion for WoT WG 2023 Proposed Charter/
12:53:20 <McCool_> seb: please if you have any comments, please speak up
12:53:29 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:53:35 <McCool_> ... still need to work on logistics, e.g. irc channel
12:53:36 <kaz> s/pdf/pdf Sebastian's slides/
12:54:01 <kaz> q+
12:54:34 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1020
12:55:13 <McCool_> mm: I need to make some changes, focus on binding and move other topics (e.g Discovery) to a "possible" list
12:55:33 <McCool_> kaz: for IRC, I propose we use "#wot"
12:55:50 <McCool_> ... also, might be easier if you could move slides under "PRESENTATIONS"
12:56:49 <sebastian> q?
12:56:53 <kaz> ack k
12:57:02 <McCool_> mm: also I plan to merge the technical descriptions after updates
12:57:14 <McCool_> topic: WoT CG
12:57:24 <McCool_> seb: meeting planned for July 5
12:57:59 <McCool_> mm: please at least comment on the issues if you cannot make that call
12:58:08 <McCool_> topic: action items
12:58:45 <McCool_> seb: accessibility joint meeting?
12:58:50 <McCool_> mm: would be a good idea
12:59:09 <McCool_> ... but need actionable outcomes
12:59:39 <McCool_> ... and voice interfaces are important for IoT in general, not just for "accessibility"
13:00:56 <kaz> kaz: having a joint meeting during TPAC would be a good starting point
13:01:04 <kaz> topic: TF reports
13:01:04 <McCool_> topic: TF reports
13:01:08 <kaz> s/topic: TF reports//
13:01:16 <kaz> i/having/scribenick: kaz/
13:01:23 <kaz> scribenick: McCool_
13:01:30 <McCool_> mm: in security, cleaned up TLS/DTLS version usage in Arch, will discuss tomorrow
13:01:49 <McCool_> ... and merged various improvements to discuss security and privacy wide review input
13:02:13 <McCool_> seb: adjourn
13:06:25 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:06:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
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