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18:57:11 <Zakim> Meeting: Web Authentication WG
18:57:13 <wseltzer> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webauthn/2022Jun/0292.html
18:57:30 <jfontana> thanks, Wendy
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19:04:18 <elundberg> present+
19:04:29 <jfontana> tony: we are scheduled for TPAC.
19:04:38 <jfontana> ...on agenda for Monday Sept 12.
19:04:57 <jfontana> ...we have join meetings for tuesday with Web payments and other groups
19:04:59 <matthewmiller> matthewmiller has joined #webauthn
19:05:12 <jfontana> ...on wednesday can do other work or go home.
19:06:01 <jfontana> ...suggest those in-person look at W3C web site.
19:06:16 <jfontana> wendy: some inter-group participation.
19:06:28 <jfontana> ...putting a lot into being a good hybrid meeting
19:06:43 <nina> nina has joined #webauthn
19:06:48 <jfontana> ...registration should be opening soon
19:06:59 <jfontana> Tons yu: Wednesday is submit your topic.
19:08:09 <jfontana> tony
19:08:21 <wseltzer> s/Tons yu/Tony/
19:09:17 <wseltzer> present+
19:09:23 <nina> present+
19:09:25 <nina> thank you
19:09:33 <jfontana> present+
19:09:45 <jfontana> agl: I can help with review if the others are busy
19:10:14 <wseltzer> present+ agl, nadalin, andypeterson, davidturner, nina, johnbradley, elundberg, johnpascoe, martinkreichgauer, matthewmiller, sbweeden, timcappalli
19:10:34 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1733
19:13:17 <jfontana> elundberg: I made sme changes for it to be more clear.
19:13:26 <jfontana> agl: think this is good.
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19:14:02 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1732
19:14:14 <jfontana> agl: no response from Mozilla, no changes so far.
19:14:21 <jfontana> tony: how long should we wait?
19:14:29 <jfontana> agl: that comes from Akshay
19:15:05 <jfontana> jbradley: I am good with it.
19:15:36 <jfontana> ...fine to merge now, but check with Aksay
19:15:46 <jfontana> tony: Tim? Issues?
19:15:52 <dveditz> Who did you send that to at Mozilla?
19:15:54 <jfontana> tim: I am getting it done.
19:16:00 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1703
19:16:08 <dveditz> My mic is apparently not working
19:16:20 <jfontana> mattM: in a good state right now, need a bit of feedback
19:16:48 <jfontana> ...with no objections, we can land as is
19:17:14 <jfontana> tony: I would like to see this in the first draft.
19:17:21 <jfontana> ...any issue moving forward
19:20:02 <jfontana> matt: will merge and follow up
19:20:11 <jfontana> nickS: think it  is fine
19:20:53 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1663
19:21:09 <jfontana> agl: still in works to some extent, but settling
19:21:23 <jfontana> ...at face to face questions about attestation stuff
19:21:34 <jfontana> ...its a large PR now
19:21:46 <jfontana> ...but it is significant
19:21:49 <jfontana> ...read it
19:22:05 <jfontana> tony: we will resolve everyone's comments
19:22:47 <jfontana> tony: aimed at first public draft.
19:23:05 <jfontana> ...before TPAC in late August
19:23:32 <jfontana> agl: we have a similar target
19:23:44 <jfontana> jbradley: looking at some issues we may have with Windows
19:23:55 <jfontana> ...we are changing things beyond extension
19:24:06 <jfontana> agL; working on some CTAP issues also
19:24:40 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1576
19:25:00 <jfontana> nina: looking to merge this
19:26:16 <jfontana> tony: Matthew and shane can you look at this
19:27:59 <jfontana> tony: want to get this into first draft since implementd.
19:28:16 <jfontana> agL; want to merge it now, but if people want a read, go ahead
19:28:26 <jfontana> shane: no objection
19:28:38 <jfontana> ...I want to relook at it
19:28:50 <jfontana> ...I did not that and I see the implementation and I am happy
19:29:01 <jfontana> tony: so change status to approve
19:29:14 <jfontana> tony: matthew merge?
19:29:27 <jfontana> mattM: yes
19:31:38 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1425
19:31:48 <jfontana> tony: sitll on hold, nothing new
19:31:54 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1755
19:32:10 <jfontana> agl: the name of cable is hybrid
19:32:17 <jfontana> ...its the new name
19:32:26 <jfontana> ...I will look at this
19:33:36 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1744
19:35:03 <jfontana> shane: I won't object to this
19:35:42 <jfontana> jbradely:: akshay was leaning against this
19:35:53 <jfontana> ...do we need another nob to move?
19:36:47 <jfontana> ...what this means and how to implement this may cause more confusion
19:37:14 <jfontana> elundberg: browser best effort may be the best we get
19:37:42 <jfontana> ...it is enough?
19:38:25 <jfontana> tim: then why to we do DPK
19:38:39 <jfontana> mattM: sitll value for DPK
19:39:20 <jfontana> shane: will be some RPs without DPK, but still might want a credential
19:39:52 <jfontana> ...there are a broader set of comments in GitHub; some looking for more control
19:40:46 <jfontana> mattM: also the point that if you want a single device credential, need to have an authentication and see value created.
19:41:24 <jfontana> Tim: if you don't like a security key you reject it.
19:41:35 <jfontana> mattM: then why is credential around?
19:46:35 <jfontana> ...should not go forward with this. don't see how this is different from other authenticators.
19:46:45 <jfontana> tony: is anyone agansit this
19:46:46 <jfontana> ?
19:46:58 <jfontana> agL: don't think this proposal is the way to go.
19:47:29 <jfontana> Tim: I am supportive of the idea, but concerned on this method
19:48:06 <jfontana> ...I would like an MDM policy
19:48:25 <jfontana> agl: policy could be best way to go
19:49:14 <jfontana> elundberg: we have added
19:49:39 <jfontana> ...so I am leaning against it.
19:49:47 <jfontana> ...but not a hard opinion either way
19:50:31 <jfontana> mattM: issue that continues to bug me, alternative way to approach this without new parameter
19:51:26 <jfontana> ...was a proposal to delete credentials, can we revive that
19:51:41 <jfontana> shane: worried about the user experience
19:51:55 <jfontana> ...should have been presented upfront
19:52:06 <jfontana> agl: think this is two issues
19:52:30 <jfontana> ...backburner the notion this will not work.
19:54:02 <jfontana> tony: so leave #1744 open
19:56:16 <jfontana> tony: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1757
19:57:54 <jfontana> ...this could be forwarded to Web Authn adoption group
20:02:52 <jfontana> tony: does Matt want to champion this issue;
20:02:56 <jfontana> matt: I will make editorial note in the spec.
20:03:29 <wseltzer> present+ suekoomen
20:03:33 <wseltzer> chair: Nadalin, Fontana
20:03:36 <wseltzer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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20:08:04 <jfontana> Zakim, bye
20:08:04 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Ian, Akshay, AndyPeterson, elundberg, jfontana, Nadalin, JohnBradley, JohnPascoe, sbweeden, Nina, StephenMcGruer, wseltzer,
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20:08:34 <wseltzer> rrsagent, bye
20:08:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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20:09:12 <wseltzer> present+=wseltzer, fontana, agl, nadalin, andypeterson, davidturner, nina, johnbradley, elundberg, johnpascoe, martinkreichgauer, matthewmiller, sbweeden, timcappalli
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20:09:36 <wseltzer> present+ suekoomen
20:09:40 <wseltzer> zakim, who is here?
20:10:06 <wseltzer> zakim, bye
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20:10:19 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make logs public
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20:10:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items