IRC log of adapt on 2022-06-27

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Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 27 June 2022

13:21:59 [Sharon_]

agenda?

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chair: Sharon

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agenda?

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present+

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present+

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agenda?

14:03:02 [Lionel_Wolberger]

scribe: Lionel_Wolberger

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present+

14:03:11 [janina]

present+

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14:05:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

RESOLUTION: The group will not meet next week Monday July 4th. Happy holiday to everyone celebrating!

14:05:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- 3.6 edit (see git link) (Janina) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:05:34 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, previous item

14:05:34 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'previous item', Lionel_Wolberger

14:05:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, take up item `

14:05:42 [Zakim]

'\`' does not match any agenda item, Lionel_Wolberger

14:05:45 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, take up item 1

14:05:45 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- Spec content is ready for CR -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:07:40 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Janina: WHile editing, one issue was the way "distracting" and "distraction" appear in the spec

14:08:06 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... And there is a PR against 3.6

14:09:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- 3.6 edit (see git link) (Janina) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:09:44 [Matthew_Atkinson]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/209 - there is a link in there to the HTML preview, which is http://raw.githack.com/w3c/adapt/adapt-js2206a/content/index.html#symbol-explanation

14:12:41 [Matthew_Atkinson]

Simplifications made in 3.6.1 (description) and 3.6.2 (examples); also two EdNotes have been added in 3.6.1 (description).

14:18:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Sharon: Sounds like we are all OK to accept this wording.

14:19:06 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... no objections

14:19:49 [Lionel_Wolberger]

RESOLUTION: We agree to merge the PR 209 affecting the text of 3.6

14:20:25 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Blog post draft ready (Lionel) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:21:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/27-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson

14:23:06 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Sharon: check to be sure you are in the current, latest version

14:23:38 [Sharon]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#WAI-Adapt_-_Content_ModuleCandidate_Recommendation_.28CR.29_and_WAI-Adapt_Explainer_.28Update_publishedd

14:25:21 [Sharon]

q?

14:25:45 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Sharon: The draft will go in the "Blog WAI-Adapt" slot of this wiki page

14:25:53 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#WAI-Adapt_-_Content_ModuleCandidate_Recommendation_.28CR.29_and_WAI-Adapt_Explainer_.28Update_publishedd

14:27:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel_Wolberger: I will have it up end of this week

14:27:30 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: Better to have it before 0800 Tuesdeay

14:27:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... as the next steps are (a) chairs to review Janina+Matt (b) Michael to review (c) Shawn to review

14:28:19 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... then a CfC

14:29:51 [Lionel_Wolberger]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/27-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

14:37:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: Once we finish document prep, we send the messaging up the chain. That includes approvals and reviews.

14:37:43 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... that's step 1: complete the messaging

14:38:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... step 2, Adapt logs a resolution that Adapt is ready for APA to announce a CfC to publish as a Candidate Recommendation

14:39:24 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... this establishes a needed audit trail.

14:39:30 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... given that CfC takes a week

14:39:39 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... we are likely to publish 26th July

14:39:49 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

14:39:49 [Zakim]

agendum 4 -- CR Announcement is teed up in the WAI wiki (Sharon) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:40:05 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 was just opened, Lionel_Wolberger

14:40:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, close this item

14:40:15 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

14:40:16 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:40:16 [Zakim]

5. Disambiguate between HTML <rel> and WAI-Adapt specified "purpose/destination/ action."" (Lionel) [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:41:31 [Lisa]

q+

14:42:07 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel: In conversation with a very knowledgeable W3C person, the question of <rel was raised

14:42:09 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes/rel

14:42:10 [Sharon]

ack Lisa

14:42:23 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lisa: This did come up near the beginning (this is now years ago)

14:42:39 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... I believe I recall that the scope was the problem

14:43:06 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... <rel does meet some of the needs here. It works very well in the link of a header, perhaps other links, but not everywhere else

14:43:49 [Matthew_Atkinson]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes/rel

14:43:50 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... <rel tends to give meta-data on the page as a whole

14:43:55 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

14:44:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: Suggest we add this to the explainer

14:44:51 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lisa: The mozilla doc opens with, "The rel attribute defines the relationship between a linked resource and the current document. Valid on <link>, <a>, <area>, and <form>, the supported values depend on the element on which the attribute is found."

14:45:21 [Sharon]

ack Matthew_Atkinson

14:45:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... note [it relates to] "the current document"

14:45:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Matthew_Atkinson: You can apply <rel to some elements, but not to buttons

14:45:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... the mozilla doc lists <link>, <a>, <area>, and <form>

14:46:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... not button

14:46:19 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: What if WHAT-WG says, let's "fix" <rel so it can apply to buttons

14:46:45 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lisa: There is a temptation with semantics to overload what it actually is

14:46:46 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/between HTML <rel>/between HTML @rel/

14:47:05 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/<rel/@rel/

14:47:09 [Matthew_Atkinson]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/27-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson

14:47:10 [Sharon]

q?

14:47:32 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... there will also be similar thoughts regarding the ability of RDF to do some of this semantic assignment

14:47:44 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... and we will run into the same issues

14:47:48 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/<rel/@rel/

14:47:48 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/<rel/@rel/

14:47:50 [Matthew_Atkinson]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/27-adapt-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson

14:48:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Sharon: Lionel to respond with the summary of the above

14:50:23 [Lionel_Wolberger]

agenda?

14:50:39 [Lionel_Wolberger]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/27-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

14:56:01 [Matthew_Atkinson]

I found the three pages in the (GitHub) wiki that reference rel (I searched for '\Wrel\W' so may've missed some)...

14:56:03 [Matthew_Atkinson]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/July-8th-notes-on-Options-for-symbol

14:56:09 [Matthew_Atkinson]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Options-for-symbol

14:56:16 [Matthew_Atkinson]

https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Symbols---the-big-picture