13:45:49 RRSAgent has joined #silver 13:45:49 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/06/24-silver-irc 13:45:52 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:45:53 Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group 13:45:56 agenda? 13:46:02 agenda+ Reminder: no meeting next Friday 1 July 13:46:09 agenda+ Sub-group handbook 13:46:16 agenda+ Continuation (completion?) of guidelines breakdown exercise 13:46:18 Present+ 13:50:59 jeanne has joined #silver 13:51:31 agenda? 13:56:36 janina has joined #silver 13:59:41 Chuck has joined #silver 14:01:12 Wilco has joined #silver 14:01:17 present+ 14:01:20 agenda? 14:01:58 scribe: Chuck 14:02:30 Zakim, take up item 1 14:02:30 agendum 1 -- Reminder: no meeting next Friday 1 July -- taken up [from Lauriat] 14:02:42 Makoto has joined #silver 14:03:08 present+ 14:03:17 Lauriat: First item is quick. No call next week (July 1). A few holidays. We will reconvene Friday after. 14:03:28 Lauriat: What's the conclusion of having an AGWG meeting on the 5th. 14:03:29 q+ 14:03:47 present+ 14:03:48 Rachael: TBD. 14:04:08 Poornima has joined #silver 14:04:10 Chuck: Half of respondents said wouldn't make it, we'll make a decision next week. 14:04:19 zakim, take up next item 14:04:19 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Chuck 14:04:22 ack Ch 14:04:24 zakim, take up next item 14:04:24 agendum 2 -- Sub-group handbook -- taken up [from Lauriat] 14:04:33 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_caRiZaTQDmsd2Vq415sz4AIullNse-GeGtohUfg_5M/edit# 14:04:35 Wilco: 14:05:18 Wilco: Introducing proposal that I've been discussing with chairs and planning group. 14:05:40 sarahhorton has joined #silver 14:05:40 Wilco: Challenge is that some groups go off w/o too much coordination. What we would like to do moving forward is adjust how sub groups work. 14:05:46 present+ 14:05:49 Wilco: More incremental, more focused, and more dedicated time. 14:06:02 Wilco: We are trying out in next month or so... 14:06:29 Wilco: Work in 8 week iterations. At end of 8 weeks, they will have something to present to AGWG for review. 14:06:43 Wilco: After 8 weeks group will be done. We want to work more agile. 14:06:53 Wilco: We previously had waterfall approach. 14:07:13 Wilco: That didn't work out very well, we want to work more iteratively. 14:07:33 Wilco: We'll identify highest priority, assign to sub group, come back in 8 weeks to review work. 14:07:44 Wilco: Groups can stick together over and over if they wish. 14:08:13 Wilco: I've written up a handbook which outlines handbook. Cover starting a group. 14:08:25 Wilco: Each group is expected to have a PR at end of process. 14:08:34 Wilco: PR may go into editors draft. 14:09:05 Wilco: Participating... it is 8 week blocks, we expect participants to be available for 4 hours per week including meeting time. This is not insignificant work, we expect that time to be available. 14:09:20 Wilco: Advantage is to know about the commitment and plan for it for 8 weeks. 14:09:55 Wilco: In terms of timelines, at week 4 we'll have an option to submit to silver task for review. For week 6 can go to AGWG. 14:10:25 Wilco: AGWG can review and adjust last 2 weeks. Exceptions can occur. maybe no PR, different doc. Some groups can run shorter or longer. 14:10:45 Wilco: If there are activities that chairs haven't planned, a new group can be proposed. 14:10:52 Wilco: Or can email chairs. 14:11:17 q+ 14:11:17 Wilco: CEPC will be the model of behavior for sub group participation. 14:11:27 Wilco: Short doc. Concise, not complicated. 14:11:37 ack Rach 14:11:54 Rachael: Thanks for putting it together. Hopefully this will help us keep the exploratory work going. 14:12:03 Rachael: We also hope this increases participation. 14:12:14 Rachael: More people who can contribute. 14:12:22 +1 to everything Rachael said! 14:12:23 Rachael: We can refine as we learn, and we welcome suggestions. 14:12:25 qv? 14:12:50 Lauriat: Any other questions or general thoughts? 14:13:08 Wilco: I will add that not every sub group starts same time. We will try to stagger. 14:13:20 Wilco: This will help with AGWG agendas. 14:13:37 Lauriat: Would be difficult if sprints were all aligned. 14:13:56 zakim, take up item 3 14:13:56 agendum 3 -- Continuation (completion?) of guidelines breakdown exercise -- taken up [from Lauriat] 14:14:08 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0 14:14:38 Lauriat: Continuation of our past activities. Add your name to column D. 14:14:57 Lauriat: I took on 2.4.5 multiple ways. I noted "partial" in C because I started. 14:15:03 present+ 14:15:32 Lauriat: Find your name and if you had not worked on last week. Have a look through. Some not started yet. 2.3.3, 2.2.5, several others later that have not been started. 14:15:38 Lauriat: Any questions about activity? 14:15:43 q+ 14:15:57 Chuck: Stay camped in call? 14:15:57 q+ 14:16:01 Lauriat: Makes most sense 14:16:02 ack Ch 14:16:39 Sarah: Wondered about Makoto, Poornima and I worked on something, we didn't finish. Poornima did additional work. Should that be assigned to one to take it to completion? 14:16:47 Lauriat: Or we can create a breakout room. 14:16:56 Sarah: Either way. I don't want to orphan that one. 14:17:16 Lauriat: Jeanne, can you create a breakout room? I do I have to do it? 14:17:30 MC: I created a room called room 1. Hopefully will be sufficient. 14:17:49 Chuck: Scribing ends for activity. 14:19:13 present+ 14:19:39 ack sarahhorton 14:29:53 Examples of completed SCs are in -> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t9H47G5gIUUSONx-Aly3UGCfQ7G0NI_V 14:38:55 Observation: The more I've worked with the User Needs, the more I like them 14:40:04 +1! 14:57:25 maryjom has joined #silver 14:57:30 present+ 14:58:36 rrsagent, make minutes 14:58:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/24-silver-minutes.html jeanne 15:01:51 chair: Shawn, Jeanne 16:38:21 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver 20:20:55 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver 22:17:30 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver 23:10:51 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver