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13:56:59 <Ian> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group
13:57:07 <Ian> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20220623
13:57:14 <Ian> Chair: Nick_Telford-Reed
13:57:18 <Ian> Scribe: Ian
13:58:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
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14:01:31 <Ian> present+ Stephen_McGruer
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14:02:09 <Ian> regrets+ Gerhard_Oosthuizen
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14:02:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
14:03:18 <Ian> -> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20220623 Agenda
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14:03:34 <Ian> present+ Nick_Telford-Reed
14:03:50 <Ian> present+ Gregoire_Leleux
14:04:08 <Ian> Topic: Upcoming meetings
14:04:17 <Ian> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2022Jun/0001.html Schedule to TPAC
14:05:04 <Ian> Nick: Just wanted to be sure everyone had seen that.
14:05:14 <Ian> Topic: TPAC agenda
14:05:20 <Ian> -> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-TPAC2022 agenda in development
14:05:34 <Ian> present+ Praveena_Subrahmanyam
14:06:01 <Ian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/TPAC/ TPAC home page
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14:07:56 <nicktr> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-TPAC2022
14:12:12 <Ian> present+ Gerhard_Oosthuizen
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14:12:37 <Ian> Ian: Any other suggestions for the agenda?
14:12:47 <Ian> Nick: FTF is great opportunity to make progress on some topics.
14:12:54 <Ian> ...if you think of anything, please let the chairs know
14:13:01 <Ian> present+ Erhard_Brand
14:13:13 <Ian> Nick: Registration will open later this month.
14:13:27 <Ian> ...of those present today, say +1 if you plan to go
14:13:33 <Ian> Nick, praveena, Ian: +1
14:13:35 <nicktr> +1
14:13:38 <smcgruer_[EST]> +1
14:13:41 <Gerhard> Entersekt +2
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14:14:38 <Ian> Topic:
14:14:38 <Ian> Action item review
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14:15:01 <Ian> Topic: Action item review
14:15:16 <Ian> Ian: David, any interesting digital identity initiatives in Canada?
14:15:25 <Ian> David: I am talking to some people at payments canada next week
14:16:33 <Ian> Topic: Experimental opt-out feature
14:16:47 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/172#issuecomment-1138725046
14:17:09 <Ian> Stephen: We have added the very experimental support for an opt-out flow; PURELY AN EXPERIMENT
14:17:20 <Ian> ...will run from M104-M106 (e.g., through October)
14:17:36 <Ian> ...want to see if this helps resolve the opt-out issue; we welcome input from people.
14:17:52 <Ian> ...e.g., can we reduce the amount of text? We also want to avoid user confusion.
14:18:15 <Ian> Jean: We are looking at this within Stripe; review is ongoing
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14:20:02 <Ian> Topic: Issue 12
14:20:09 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/12
14:20:21 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/12#issuecomment-1163609786
14:21:02 <Ian> PROPOSE: Make issue 12 an "after v1" issue
14:21:21 <Ian> Erhard: +1
14:21:23 <praveenas> +1
14:21:24 <clinton2> +1
14:21:37 <smcgruer_[EST]> +1
14:21:38 <nicktr> +1
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14:21:40 <Ian> Ian: +1
14:21:42 <Anne> +1
14:21:47 <JM_Girard> +1
14:21:59 <Ian> ACTION: Ian to mark issue 12 as "after-v1"
14:22:11 <Ian> david: +1
14:22:21 <Ian> Topic: SPC to CR
14:22:24 <Ian> -> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/wiki/SPC-Candidate-Recommendation-Vision Vision
14:23:58 <nicktr> examining spec against requirements -> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/wiki/SPC-Requirements-Evaluation-at-Candidate-Recommendation
14:25:44 <Ian> present+ Susan_Koomen
14:26:02 <nicktr> q+
14:27:55 <Ian> Ian: One potential feature at risk (for example): opt-out feature...if we decide we don't need it.
14:28:03 <Ian> ack nicktr
14:28:29 <Ian> nicktr: "secure-payment-confirmation" is not short. What do you think about "spc" as a short code?
14:28:52 <Ian> ....as an alternative?
14:29:06 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
14:29:14 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
14:30:20 <Ian> [wide review]
14:33:28 <Ian> Topic: New issue 194
14:33:29 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/194
14:33:48 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: This is close to editorial. In the implementation we do checking on data.
14:34:01 <Ian> ...payment request does not enable this; technically we need to fix that in PR API
14:34:38 <Ian> Ian: What are dependencies? e.g., prevent us from entering CR?
14:34:46 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: The implication is that the implementation is not quite to-spec
14:35:11 <Ian> [Issue 191]
14:35:11 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
14:35:16 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/191
14:35:19 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
14:35:38 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: I would argue this falls into the same bucket as "is this the right API shape" discussion, which is already after-v1
14:37:11 <Ian> Todos:
14:37:19 <Ian> * Heard back on opt-out experimental feature
14:37:26 <Ian> * Resolve a couple of issues
14:37:31 <Ian> * Document implementation plan
14:37:46 <Ian> Proposed timeline if we get those things done:
14:37:51 <Ian>     18 August: WPWG call to discuss going to CR
14:37:51 <Ian>     18 August: Start Call for Consensus until 5 September
14:37:51 <Ian>     12 September: WPWG meeting starts at TPAC
14:37:51 <Ian>     Post-TPAC: Request to advance to CR
14:38:16 <JeanLuc> Why #29 is tagged 'after v1' as it is already published in EMV 3DS 2.3?
14:38:18 <Gerhard> question: when do we anticipate to have SPC available in Chrome for Android :-)
14:38:49 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
14:39:01 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
14:40:43 <Gerhard> Correct. But SPC does not play a role there.
14:41:06 <cferro> +1 to close
14:41:10 <Gerhard> q+
14:41:13 <Ian> ack Gerhard
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14:41:54 <Ian> Gerhard: For me, "frictionless" means getting an assertion without proof of possession element requiring a user gesture
14:42:40 <Ian> ....large proportion of the world does not have a biometric sensor
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14:45:09 <Ian> Gerhard: SPC integration into 3DS does not preclude frictionless flow
14:45:37 <Ian> [We will close 29]
14:45:39 <nicktr> +1
14:45:51 <Ian> Topic: SPC for Chrome in Android?
14:45:59 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: No promises but hope late Q3
14:46:19 <Ian> ...maybe I'll be able to do a demo at TPAC
14:46:51 <Ian> Gerhard: More support makes more interest for us to pitch SPC adoption
14:47:38 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
14:47:42 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
14:47:55 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: On the opt-out, we've said for a while we will hear back.
14:49:00 <JeanLuc> q+
14:49:05 <Ian> ack JeanLuc
14:49:35 <Ian> JeanLuc: I have a question -the opt out proposal does not currently require authentication first.
14:49:40 <Ian> ...is that a problem?
14:50:00 <Ian> q+
14:50:02 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
14:50:15 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
14:50:32 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: That's a great question. We have discussed that during the course of issue 172.
14:50:51 <Ian> ...in our proposal, it's up to the RP and handling web site to authenticate the user (as needed)
14:51:16 <Ian> ...our assumption is that the RP will do some post-authentication before doing the actual opt-out
14:51:55 <Ian> ...if this turns out to be something we need to invest in further, then browser-driven auth is something to consider
14:52:05 <Ian> ack me
14:53:05 <Ian> JeanLuc: So the idea is the RP can use the opt-out mechanism to redirect the user to the RP and the RP can decide whether to authenticate the user before doing opt-out?
14:53:47 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+ to return to Ian's previous comment on opt-out (after this discussion)
14:53:50 <Ian> JeanCarlo: What we would be likely to do is that if the user goes through 3DS step up, then the credentials would be deleted after confirmation of the user idnetity
14:53:53 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
14:53:53 <Zakim> smcgruer_[EST], you wanted to return to Ian's previous comment on opt-out (after this discussion)
14:54:17 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: I heard from Ian that we proceed towards the plan and have a rough deadline of the middle of August to include opt-out or not.
14:55:51 <Ian> Ian: Since not in the spec, should not prevent us from going to CR. BUT I would want to raise implementer awareness at CR. And ideally close 172 before going to CR.
14:56:01 <Ian> ...we could mark it as "at risk"
14:57:11 <Gerhard> +1 for spec post v1.
14:57:56 <Ian> +1 for marking 172 as after-v1 if we learn later we need additional text in the spec
14:58:21 <nicktr> +1
14:58:49 <Ian> PROPOSAL for issue 172:
14:58:52 <Ian> a) Continue to experiment
14:59:02 <Ian> b) If we learn some spec text is needed, consider that after-v1
14:59:05 <nicktr> +1
14:59:06 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
14:59:10 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
15:00:44 <Ian> Topic: 7 July
15:01:00 <Ian> RRSAGENT, make minutes
15:01:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
15:01:04 <Ian> RRSAGENT, set logs public
15:17:58 <Ian> zakim, bye
15:17:58 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Ian, Jean-Luc_di_Manno, David_Benoit, Anne_Pouillard, Carey_Ferro, Jean-Michel_Girard, Suzie_Annezo-Sébire, Stephen_McGruer,
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15:17:59 <Ian> RRSAGENT, bye
15:17:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wpwg-actions.rdf :
15:17:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to mark issue 12 as "after-v1" [1]
15:17:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wpwg-irc#T14-21-59