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15:42:51 <janina> Meeting: Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
15:42:59 <janina> Date 23 Jun 2022
15:43:03 <janina> Chair: Janina
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15:43:16 <janina> agenda?
15:43:20 <janina> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Administrative Items
15:43:20 <janina> agenda+ Presentation Followup Discussion
15:43:20 <janina> agenda+ Case in Point: SC 2.2.6 Timeouts https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/timeouts
15:43:23 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:43:25 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
15:52:17 <janina>  regrets: Jeanne_Spellman, Shadi Abou-Zahra, Todd_Libby
15:53:10 <janina> regrets: Jeanne_Spellman, Shadi_Abou-Zahra, Todd_Libby
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16:01:58 <maryjom> present+
16:02:17 <janina> present+
16:02:25 <DarrylLehmann> present+
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16:03:04 <SusanaPallero> present+
16:03:20 <Wilco> present+
16:03:22 <DarrylLehmann> scribe+
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16:03:48 <DarrylLehmann> scribe: DarrylLehmann
16:03:49 <Azlan> present+
16:04:02 <DarrylLehmann> scribe+ DarrylLehmann
16:04:32 <DarrylLehmann> zakim, next item
16:04:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Administrative Items -- taken up [from janina]
16:05:20 <GreggVan> present+
16:05:27 <GreggVan> q+
16:05:48 <DarrylLehmann> janina: thoughts on our presentation last week, taking a look at the timeout success criteria.
16:07:27 <DarrylLehmann> janina: interesting ways to apply our groups thinking when looking at wider Silver group considerations; policy, conformance, guidance
16:08:15 <DarrylLehmann> janina: question to the group. proposing skipping next thursday (the 30th of june)
16:08:48 <DarrylLehmann> janina: moving forward in july we can get back to GreggVan edits
16:09:16 <DarrylLehmann> Wilco: editors are looking to update the process, speaking about this on upcoming tuesday call.
16:09:58 <DarrylLehmann> Wilco: potentially having more Task Force group looking at tasks in 8 week timelines and reports back the findings
16:10:21 <DarrylLehmann> Wilco: this group should begin refocusing on third party
16:11:10 <DarrylLehmann> janina: would like to discuss with the higher tier group holding on the refocus on third party to complete the current working document
16:12:01 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: third party is in the groups purview, but we need to move more quickly into the new Task Force model
16:12:33 <DarrylLehmann> janina: if we can wrap up in July we'll be in a good space.
16:12:56 <DarrylLehmann> Wilco: look to have a proposal before TPAC
16:13:44 <DarrylLehmann> janina: Third party will be perhaps more complicated than we expect.
16:14:45 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: Chairs talked about moving into Task Forces to enable more forward progress
16:15:25 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: the need to space out the Task Forces to provide breathing room for the members
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16:17:33 <DarrylLehmann> MichaelC: Sub groups are different to Task Forces, the key being longer duration for the task forces and a more temporary basis for sub-groups.
16:18:05 <DarrylLehmann> RESOLUTION: this group will not meet on June 30th, 2022
16:19:43 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: during the meeting presentation there was some editting happening real-time
16:20:01 <DarrylLehmann> zakim, next item
16:20:01 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, DarrylLehmann
16:20:21 <janina> ack gr
16:20:25 <DarrylLehmann> zakim, next item
16:20:25 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Presentation Followup Discussion -- taken up [from janina]
16:22:08 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: A number of anonymous editor's were noticed during the screen share. Judy noted that here suggestions were already picked up, but the edits were happening during the presentation time
16:23:44 <DarrylLehmann> janina: finding in discussions that groups using tools are not perfect, but is part of the process.
16:25:16 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: all of the edits were tracked in the document and we can go forward accepting the changes.
16:26:04 <DarrylLehmann> janina: we should be trying to go modal with our suggestions moving forward.
16:27:42 <DarrylLehmann> janina: do we consider adding a scenario about an aquisition causing a backward path, loosing accessibilty conformance.
16:28:21 <DarrylLehmann> janina: what are the group thoughts on tuesday's presentation?
16:28:38 <janina> q?
16:28:48 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: felt like it was well recieved.
16:32:38 <DarrylLehmann> janina: from the presentation notes, what might end up in a tech standard versus a policy suggestion. Splitting up use cases into its own github as this set is very useful for the various subgroup/task forces
16:33:08 <DarrylLehmann> janina: we've been asked to talk about impact. Bringing proposals to TPAC as best we can in July.
16:34:01 <DarrylLehmann> janina: notion that conforming to every requirement to be accessible may not be possible. Some of our situations illustrate where this may be a challenge
16:35:59 <DarrylLehmann> janina: request from the AGWG chair to come back with a response about what the impact will be.
16:38:38 <DarrylLehmann> janina: heres an impact to consider? If the requirement remains, and lawyers start picking off organizations with limited capacity, how do we prevent policy from over-riding those requirements.
16:40:33 <DarrylLehmann> janina: the word "exception" didn't come up.
16:42:19 <janina> q?
16:42:34 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: if we make no change to the technical document, it's a policy concern. The distinction has helped avoid the exception trap, if the matter is important to handle we can offer a technical change.
16:42:57 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: somehow we need to find a way to solve for each scenario
16:44:37 <DarrylLehmann> maryjom_: we will need to tread very lightly on our recommendations.
16:44:54 <GreggVan> q+
16:45:53 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: we should be very Jeffersonian to find the right words so the material is self evident.
16:46:44 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: we layout like a report, what needs to happen, what can be affect.
16:47:57 <DarrylLehmann> awk GreggVan
16:48:02 <DarrylLehmann> zakim, next item
16:48:02 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, DarrylLehmann
16:48:07 <janina> q?
16:48:10 <janina> ack gr
16:48:14 <DarrylLehmann> zakim, next item
16:48:14 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Case in Point: SC 2.2.6 Timeouts https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/timeouts -- taken up [from janina]
16:48:56 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: What if a user is working on a form and has to leave for support and can never complete there transaction, this focused on cognitive.
16:50:12 <DarrylLehmann> GreggVan: how much time is required to complete this form? less than 24 hours
16:51:14 <DarrylLehmann> janina: Important to consider the timeout issue, but this is more than a accessibility consideration but a more broad question on the web
16:52:29 <DarrylLehmann> janina: this is a mainstream issue for a lot of people
16:54:17 <DarrylLehmann> janina: Apple, Microsoft, Google all looking at password-less authentication. Perhaps a way to piggy back on this building profiles for how your using the web to support users.
16:54:58 <DarrylLehmann> janina: APA with privacy liason offering interoperability to this user profile.
16:55:48 <DarrylLehmann> janina: a means to provide better service while keeping privacy anonymous.
16:56:45 <DarrylLehmann> janina: What mechanism to facilitate the timeout, what mechanic to save and return, what the update timing should be to manage cognitive load.
16:57:21 <DarrylLehmann> janina: the outcomes will be generic, but the implementation could be specific
16:58:26 <DarrylLehmann> janina: potential methods and technological solutions to this are present.
17:00:04 <DarrylLehmann> zakim, bye
17:00:04 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been maryjom, janina, DarrylLehmann, SusanaPallero, Wilco, Azlan, GreggVan
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