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12:04:19 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:04:56 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Erich_Barnstedt, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:05:01 <kaz> chair: McCool
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12:06:36 <mlagally_> scribenick: mlagally
12:07:27 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally_
12:07:36 <mlagally_> topic: housekeeping
12:08:15 <mlagally_> mmc: let's review of the minutes of the last call
12:08:20 <mlagally_> s/of//
12:09:48 <mlagally_> (some typo changes)
12:10:06 <mlagally_> ... no objections, approved
12:10:21 <kaz> (typos fixed)
12:11:02 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:11:06 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:11:12 <mlagally_> mmc: Sebastian is unavailable for the TD call today, McCool will chair the call
12:11:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:11:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:11:25 <mlagally_> topic: quick update
12:11:57 <mlagally_> mmc: we had a DTDL overview call with a presentation from Erich from Microsoft
12:12:11 <mlagally_> ... a follow up is planned in 3-4 weeks
12:12:12 <kaz> i|let's review|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/15-wot-minutes.html June-15|
12:12:37 <kaz> i|we had a DTDL|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/21-wot-uc-minutes.html DTDL meeting on June 21|
12:12:47 <mlagally_> Erich: July 19th works best
12:12:57 <mlagally_> s/Erich/eb/
12:13:08 <mlagally_> mmc: will create a calendar invite
12:13:23 <mlagally_> ... we agreed the goal is interconversion between TDs and DTDL
12:13:36 <mlagally_> ... discussed a testfest / plugfest project
12:13:50 <mlagally_> ... not yet planned, could be before TPAC
12:13:56 <kaz> i/21-wot-uc/subtopic: DTDL meeting/
12:14:27 <mlagally_> ... identify spec gaps, potentially topics for the new charter
12:14:42 <mlagally_> ... time series database query could be important
12:14:55 <mlagally_> ... we could have a small group working on that, need to discuss
12:16:15 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/21-wot-uc-minutes.html
12:16:39 <mlagally_> ml: let's review the call notest within this week and publish next week
12:16:47 <mlagally_> s/notest/notes/
12:17:37 <mlagally_> mmc: spatial data on the web: There's some overlab between OGC, SDW-WG, ETSI is also working on geolocation
12:18:16 <mlagally_> ... we need to figure out what to do
12:18:37 <mlagally_> ... we will talk with them tomorrow, if you are interested you can join
12:18:46 <mlagally_> ... call is 1 hour after this slot
12:19:24 <kaz> q+
12:19:27 <mlagally_> s/slot/slot (1pm UTC)/
12:19:47 <mlagally_> kaz: anybody from this group can join?
12:20:03 <mlagally_> mmc: as a guest, we should notify the chairs first
12:20:24 <mlagally_> ... there should be an wntry in the W3C calendar
12:20:39 <mlagally_> topic: charter extension
12:21:15 <mlagally_> ... we got all notes we needed, it was a bit tight, feel free to vote additionally
12:21:37 <mlagally_> ... 2 suggestions: remove 2.0 from the charter
12:21:50 <mlagally_> topic: cancellations
12:22:05 <mlagally_> marketing is cancelled on June 28th
12:22:47 <mlagally_> ... other cancellations? none.
12:22:57 <mlagally_> topic: TPAC
12:23:31 <mlagally_> mmc: we had a doodle to find a good time, we have some results
12:24:30 <mlagally_> eb: I may be on an industrial fair in Chicago
12:24:56 <mlagally_> mmc: we can schedule something the week before
12:25:40 <mlagally_> ... the doodle is for joint meetings, we should nail down the time slots to get the best slots
12:26:08 <mlagally_> ... need to figure out which joint calls we should schedule
12:26:30 <mlagally_> .. DID, JSON-LD, Automotive, anything else?
12:27:14 <mlagally_> ... for the next charter, if we do time series databases, cached data, is there a group for that?
12:27:46 <mlagally_> eb: OPC-UA?
12:27:47 <kaz> s/.. DID/... DID/
12:27:56 <kaz> q+
12:28:11 <mlagally_> mmc: this is primarily for W3C groups
12:28:37 <mlagally_> ... we have ~4 hours so we are already pretty full
12:28:50 <mlagally_> ... please register asap
12:29:02 <mlagally_> ... there's an early bird fee
12:29:30 <mlagally_> kaz: there are 2 kinds of meetings. group meetings and meetings with other groups
12:29:49 <mlagally_> ... we can also have breakout sessions for discussions with other SDOs
12:30:14 <mlagally_> mmc: we could also consider demos
12:30:25 <mlagally_> ... breakouts are on Wednesday?
12:30:30 <mlagally_> kaz: I think so
12:30:43 <kaz> ack k
12:31:12 <mlagally_> mmc: we could do breakouts for some of the jont calls
12:31:24 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2022AprJun/0094.html Dom's message on demos (member-only)
12:31:32 <mlagally_> ... probably next week I have more info, we can follow up then
12:31:48 <mlagally_> topic: wide review
12:32:40 <mlagally_> mmc we have many reviews in flight, architecture, TD, ...
12:32:57 <mlagally_> ...profiles are still in progress
12:33:25 <mlagally_> ... I have a PR, will discuss in the TD call today
12:34:11 <mlagally_> ... we have 2 outstanding CR candidates
12:34:12 <kaz> q+
12:34:38 <mlagally_> ... architecture + discovery: next week we will make resolution for both
12:34:50 <mlagally_> s/both/publishing both/
12:35:16 <mlagally_> ... discovery may get a PR from the main branch to the CR candidate
12:36:01 <mlagally_> kaz: I need to generate a static version
12:36:17 <mlagally_> mmc: everybody make sure to have the markup clean
12:36:24 <mlagally_> topic: schedule
12:37:09 <kaz> s/I need to generate a static version/Editors are encouraged to check the documents using the checkers after generating the static version (I can of course help it, though)/
12:37:22 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:37:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:37:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:38:05 <mlagally_> mmc: there's a potential conflict for DTDL and test fest
12:38:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md extension plan
12:38:13 <mlagally_> topic: testing
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12:39:11 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:39:22 <mlagally_> mmc: I cleaned up my script, there's some things to be cleaned up with <span>
12:39:40 <mlagally_> ... I will fix my PR for profile and merge it
12:39:56 <mlagally_> ... we are still missing implementation descriptions and testimonials
12:40:19 <mlagally_> ... these are less critical by CR, but we need them for PR
12:40:32 <mlagally_> ... I will reach out to individual people
12:40:50 <mlagally_> ... they need to check with their AC rep
12:41:40 <kaz> q+
12:41:40 <mlagally_> ... some issues with "policy" assertions, these are not testable
12:42:13 <kaz> ack k
12:42:16 <mlagally_> kaz: we should check current status of impl. of normative specs
12:42:24 <kaz> s/current/the current/
12:42:47 <mlagally_> mmc: (explains structure of testing report)
12:44:11 <mlagally_> ... we have to get implementations for all at risk items - if we don't, the at-risk items have to be removed from the spec
12:44:50 <mlagally_> ... if you want to work on sth, please create a PR
12:45:35 <mlagally_> ... if you have suggestions for the next charter, please let us know
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12:46:02 <mlagally_> sk: there's a meeting for OPC-UA collab planned for next Friday
12:46:09 <kaz> q+
12:46:09 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:46:36 <mlagally_> ... there's discussion whether we need a new MOU
12:47:35 <kaz> s/there's/there'll be/
12:47:38 <kaz> s/there's/there'll be/
12:47:49 <mlagally_> mmc: this is a meeting to get organized, if you are interested please join
12:48:41 <mlagally_> sk: perhaps we should use a bit of time in the next main call to talk about the plan for the meeting
12:49:25 <mlagally_> kaz: my understanding was to have a chair level conversation, do you want a wider audience
12:50:04 <mlagally_> sk: yes, I also added a link
12:50:18 <mlagally_> mmc: have not heard back from ITU-T
12:50:40 <mlagally_> ... there's another meeting in July
12:50:50 <mlagally_> ... any updates on Echonet?
12:51:10 <mlagally_> kaz: working with the japanese CG
12:51:39 <mlagally_> ... I discussed with chairs, on July 22nd will bring update back to this group.
12:52:06 <mlagally_> ... this will be an OPC -  TD
12:52:18 <mlagally_> mmc: we have to discuss semantic annotations
12:52:48 <mlagally_> kaz: similar to Echonet, at some point we should invite to use case or main call to understand more
12:53:00 <mlagally_> mmc: periodic updates would be useful
12:53:48 <mlagally_> ... IETF (Ari) was interested in yesterday's use cases call
12:53:59 <kaz> s/, do you want a wider audience/ but we can accept people from the whole group if interested?/
12:54:50 <kaz> s/I discussed/regarding IEC SC 3D, I've been talking/
12:55:22 <mlagally_> ... CG charter does not include web page at this point, defer the discussion
12:55:32 <mlagally_> topic: TF quick updates
12:55:44 <kaz> s/will bring update/will hold joint discussion again. I'll bring the updates/
12:56:55 <kaz> s/this will be an OPC -  TD/this is related to ontology definition and kind of like the relationship with OPC and DTDL./
12:58:34 <mlagally_> ml: profile has a lot of new issues that require active work and contributions. Please provide input and review to these issues, check whether you can contribute with a PR
12:58:39 <kaz> i/CG charter/topic: WoT CG/
12:58:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:58:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:59:11 <mlagally_> mmc: aob?
12:59:27 <mlagally_> none - meeting adjourned
12:59:45 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:59:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
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