IRC log of apa on 2022-06-22

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 22 June 2022

13:45:24 [janina]

agenda?

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Chair: Janina

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

13:45:44 [janina]

agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

13:45:50 [janina]

agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

13:45:52 [janina]

agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

13:45:55 [janina]

agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

13:45:58 [janina]

agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open

13:46:00 [janina]

agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022

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agenda+ Other Business

13:46:05 [janina]

agenda+ be done

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regrets: Todd_Libby, Nadine Sienel, Gottfried_Zimmerman

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present+

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present+

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scribe: Fredrik

13:57:37 [PaulG]

present+

13:57:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]

present+

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present+

14:01:12 [Matthew_Atkinson]

regrets+ Mike_Beganyi

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson

14:02:26 [Fredrik]

zakim, open item 1

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]

14:02:50 [Fredrik]

janina: We have very much our standard agenda today.

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14:02:57 [Roy]

present+

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present+

14:03:16 [PaulG]

q+

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q+

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ack Fredrik

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ack PaulG

14:07:39 [PaulG]

q-

14:07:40 [Fredrik]

PaulG: Ha sactionitems to present progress on. Also Focus Group.

14:07:57 [Roy]

q+

14:08:16 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/Ha sactionitems/Has action items/

14:08:16 [Fredrik]

PaulG: No concerns with Janina's draft response.

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ack Roy

14:08:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q?

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ack ro

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14:09:15 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]

14:09:27 [Fredrik]

Roy: No new charters this week!

14:09:31 [Fredrik]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 2 closed

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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]

14:09:34 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]

14:10:04 [MichaelC]

subtopic: CSS Color 5

14:10:04 [MichaelC]

- spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-5/

14:10:04 [MichaelC]

- FO on CSS Color 4: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7310#issuecomment-1146693305

14:10:28 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: One on the review tracker: CSS Colour 5, a review of CSS Colour 4 as per wide review request is underway.

14:11:13 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: Objection was filed on CSS Colour 4 about the colour contrast algorithm. They are basically removing it from Level 4 and planning to address it in Level 6.

14:11:39 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: I don't think there is anything the group needs to do on this particula rone.

14:15:05 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]

14:15:39 [MichaelC]

subtopic: Core-AAM 1.2

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- request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/33

14:15:39 [MichaelC]

- draft: https://w3c.github.io/core-aam/

14:15:48 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: Not exactly new, but a WR request for Core AAM 1.2. What do we do?

14:16:17 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: I propose we don't need to review it.

14:17:19 [Fredrik]

janina: I think we're cool with this.

14:17:30 [Fredrik]

topic: Action-2326

14:17:37 [MichaelC]

action-2326?

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action-2326 -- Paul Grenier to Report on open ui focus group proposal https://github.com/openui/open-ui/blob/main/research/src/pages/focusgroup/focusgroup.explainer.mdx -- due 2022-06-08 -- OPEN

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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2326

14:18:00 [Fredrik]

PaulG: I made my comment to the Github issue and it hasn't received a response.

14:18:38 [Fredrik]

PaulG: The initial review was very positive, however, very quickly, when they tried to do nesting and tried to switch directions, it created a situation where the containing element o fthe other focus group was a no-role, no-name element.

14:18:55 [Fredrik]

PaulG: I felt like this is something departing from existing ARIA patterns. Teh demo did not work.

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14:19:51 [PaulG]

https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/732#issuecomment-1159814503

14:19:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]

Via the actions page, this is the comment two which I think PaulG's referring: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/732#issuecomment-1159814503

14:20:02 [PaulG]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2326

14:20:44 [Fredrik]

janina: Sounds like we should continue to track progress on this. Do we want to track this apart from trackbot and the action tracker?

14:21:11 [MichaelC]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/113

14:21:20 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: We have a tracking issue for this.

14:21:46 [Fredrik]

janina: I think we want to hear from them, if they want to fix this now or in the future. It sounds like an issue worth pursuing.

14:22:11 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: I'm putting a link to Paul's comment in our tracking issue. If they clos ethe issue we'll get ap ing. We're on the side here. It's open in our spec tracker.

14:22:21 [Fredrik]

janina: So we can close Paul's action, because he did it.

14:22:26 [Fredrik]

PaulG: Thanks!

14:22:38 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]

14:22:47 [MichaelC]

subtopic: Reporting API

14:22:47 [MichaelC]

- draft comment: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Jun/0013.html

14:22:47 [MichaelC]

- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Reporting_API_1

14:22:50 [Lionel_Wolberger]

present+

14:22:54 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: Only one today. Reporting API.

14:23:05 [Fredrik]

MichaelC: We have the jist of a comment approved, not the wording.

14:23:50 [Fredrik]

janina: There is a page, I don't have the wiki at hand, but if someone goes to the RQTF wiki, there is a reporting API use cases page that Jason has opened there and started to populate. We have starteed to collect the kinds of cuse cases we want to address in this kind of API.

14:23:57 [Fredrik]

janina: We do need to fix the comment request.

14:24:19 [Fredrik]

janina: I can sit down to update the draft messaging by neext Wednesday.

14:24:47 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/by neext/by next/

14:25:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]

s/jist of/gist of/

14:25:38 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]

14:26:39 [Fredrik]

subtopic: RQTF

14:27:04 [Fredrik]

janina: Teh report is that messaging has been forwarded for the SAUR. We did approve publishing that when Shawn is back.

14:27:15 [Fredrik]

janina: Matt needs to sign off, as does Roy.

14:27:32 [Fredrik]

janina: When Shawn signhs off the fireworks start.

14:27:45 [Fredrik]

janina: That is the status of that for now. the group si done with the SAUR.

14:28:14 [Fredrik]

janina: The next document in the pipeline, almost ready for CFC and publication, is the long document which is what we've learned form our experience of Covid and remote meetings.

14:28:21 [Fredrik]

janina: It is a best practicies kind of document.

14:28:32 [Fredrik]

janina: In a few weeks it will be here for a CFC, I guess.

14:28:52 [Fredrik]

(We're talkigna bout Remote Meetings here.)

14:29:21 [Fredrik]

janina: There is anew document that Roy is going to give us on Collaboration Environments Tools (like Google Docs, Word Online and so forth).

14:29:29 [Fredrik]

janina: We are going to do a Collaboritve AUR.

14:29:50 [Fredrik]

janina: I think we will have useful guidance and a lot of takeup from teh tool vendors rather quickly if we do our job well.

14:30:17 [Fredrik]

janina: I know that improving the accessibility is important so ome vendors that have these tools. Us articulating what is missing and what can be improved will be very helpful.

14:30:39 [Fredrik]

janina: It loloks like the central point is going to be that cognitive load is going to be the issue, not necessarily with COGA issues but for screen reader and low vision users.

14:31:00 [Fredrik]

janina: Fairly heavy set of issues with SR users. We are going to make sure that even the early drafsts have a lot of notes pointing to other issues.

14:31:13 [Fredrik]

janina: Teh organizing principle is being able to track and interact with things.

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zakim, open next item

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agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]

14:32:16 [Fredrik]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 7 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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8. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from janina]

14:32:19 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from janina]

14:32:42 [Fredrik]

janina: I hope by next week to have populated the page with the early organziational messaging which we will then turn into requests for joi9nt meetings at TPAC.

14:32:52 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

14:33:04 [Fredrik]

janina: We expect Matthew to be there in person, I expect to be there as well, however my travel is not yet approved. Matthew has approval already.

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ack Matthew_Atkinson

14:34:27 [Fredrik]

janina: The organizers want constant updates from us. We should do our meeting coordinations directly with others groups, nto with W3C management.

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zakim, open next item

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agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]

14:36:15 [Fredrik]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 9 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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10. be done [from janina]

14:36:20 [Fredrik]

zakim, open next item

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agendum 10 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]

14:36:34 [Fredrik]

We're done! More than 12 minutes, perhaps even more than the entries in these minutes.

14:36:52 [Fredrik]

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/22-apa-minutes.html Fredrik

14:38:26 [Fredrik]

rrsagent, bye

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I see no action items