IRC log of silver on 2022-06-17
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/06/17-silver-irc
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- Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
- 13:34:10 [Lauriat]
- agenda+ Meeting on 1 July (US holiday weekend)?
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- agenda+ Report from the conformance options sub-group
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- agenda+ Migration Exercise
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- agenda?
- 14:00:10 [Lauriat]
- Present+
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- present+
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- 14:05:50 [Makoto]
- present+
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1 -- Meeting on 1 July (US holiday weekend)? -- taken up [from Lauriat]
- 14:06:51 [maryjom]
- present+
- 14:07:02 [janina]
- +1
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- 14:07:04 [Makoto]
- +1
- 14:07:04 [sarahhorton]
- present+
- 14:07:04 [Chuck]
- +1 Jeanne to attending July 1
- 14:07:06 [maryjom]
- +1
- 14:07:11 [sarahhorton]
- -1
- 14:07:15 [Chuck]
- Chuck: 0 Uncertain
- 14:07:17 [Lauriat]
- +.5 (maybe)
- 14:07:26 [Poornima]
- +1
- 14:08:05 [Azlan]
- present+
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- scribe: Azlan
- 14:09:24 [Chuck]
- RESOLUTION: Silver will not meet for the July 1st instance of the Silver call.
- 14:09:35 [Lauriat]
- Zakim, take up next item
- 14:09:35 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lauriat
- 14:09:39 [Lauriat]
- q?
- 14:10:09 [Chuck]
- ack Poor
- 14:10:16 [Lauriat]
- Zakim, take up next item
- 14:10:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Report from the conformance options sub-group -- taken up [from Lauriat]
- 14:11:20 [janina]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G9q082IFl4Rj4o07qMx8Y_5oFoDN7Lmx-5i3ViROpD8/
- 14:11:41 [Azlan]
- janina: we are presenting a summary of use cases. This is another view we will present to AGWG on Tuesday. There is a two page summary as the full document is large.
- 14:12:51 [Chuck]
- q+
- 14:12:52 [Azlan]
- We have been talking about options to incorporate the concerns but we have realised these use cases impact a wider range of groups than just conformance.
- 14:14:13 [Azlan]
- We have recently been asked to consider an impact statement which we believe to be a good approach but cannot do this in time for Tuesday.
- 14:15:58 [Lauriat]
- ack Chuck
- 14:16:39 [Azlan]
- Chuck: You've identified there will be impact to other groups will that be explained on Tuesday or addressed?
- 14:17:32 [Azlan]
- janina: We are exploring ways this needs to be addressed but the use cases on their own are a central repository that should be separated out.
- 14:18:36 [Azlan]
- we looked at partial conformance and questioned whether this is technical or policy.
- 14:19:43 [Azlan]
- jeanne: Have not been able to split out that document yet
- 14:20:39 [Azlan]
- q?
- 14:23:03 [Azlan]
- janina: we think we have arranged the situations from least to most controversial. We would appreciate feedback on that.
- 14:23:50 [Chuck]
- +1 using strategy of starting from least controversial and scaling up to "most"
- 14:24:43 [jeanne]
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- 14:25:27 [Azlan]
- zakim, next item
- 14:25:27 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Migration Exercise -- taken up [from Lauriat]
- 14:25:42 [Chuck]
- I did not
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- I would be interested in discussing now?
- 14:28:13 [Azlan]
- Poornima: we were working on labels and instructions. It would be good to consolidate all the related information for these under these guidelines.
- 14:29:00 [Azlan]
- q?
- 14:29:00 [Lauriat]
- q?
- 14:30:16 [Poornima]
- q+
- 14:30:18 [Azlan]
- sarahhorton: It's been a helpful exercise to tease apart the intent behind labels and instructions. Is the exercise also about ideating what this should be including as we move forward?
- 14:31:11 [Azlan]
- jeanne: We don't want to expand too much but we want to be based on user needs. Part of what we want to do is to reorganise things.
- 14:31:53 [Azlan]
- But we don't want to be breaking ground on new items not based on research
- 14:33:42 [Poornima]
- q-
- 14:33:51 [Chuck]
- q+
- 14:34:03 [Poornima]
- +1 to sarah's points
- 14:34:23 [Azlan]
- sarahhorton: we could create a set of requirements that pull from different requirements to create something focussed on labels and instructions. I want to ensure we are doing the right work for the migration process.
- 14:34:36 [Makoto]
- +1 to Sarah's points as well
- 14:35:23 [Makoto]
- q+
- 14:35:24 [Azlan]
- jeanne: Suggest staying high level - the big things we want to categorise are the types of tests and the scope.
- 14:35:58 [Poornima]
- q+
- 14:36:07 [Lauriat]
- ack Chuck
- 14:36:20 [Azlan]
- sarahhorton: break down the use case and user needs into granular testable units
- 14:37:01 [Lauriat]
- ack Makoto
- 14:37:04 [Azlan]
- Chuck: Janina experienced a similar thing with regards to captioning
- 14:38:49 [Azlan]
- Makoto: there are sufficient techniques to assiciate labels with form controls under 1.1.1, 1.1.3 and others which makes this complicated
- 14:39:09 [Lauriat]
- ack Poornima
- 14:39:16 [Makoto]
- s/1.1.3/1.3.1
- 14:39:54 [Chuck]
- q+
- 14:40:12 [Azlan]
- Poornima: Can we include notes for the cross-referencing?
- 14:40:25 [Lauriat]
- ack Chuck
- 14:40:33 [Azlan]
- jeanne: Including in the notes is probably the way forwards
- 14:41:00 [Azlan]
- Chuck: Looking forward to seeing those notes with the references
- 14:41:07 [Lauriat]
- qv?
- 14:41:38 [Azlan]
- jeanne: people have long been talking bout the need to break up 1.3.1
- 14:43:12 [Azlan]
- On Tuesday we will ask everyone to take success criteria and work on them. We would like to do a dry run of this.
- 14:43:25 [jeanne]
- Assignment spreadsheet -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
- 14:48:00 [Poornima]
- q+ I can start exploring Name, Role & Value
- 14:48:26 [Poornima]
- q+
- 14:52:53 [Poornima]
- just fyi - I added Google doc link for 'Labels and Instructions' in the spreadsheet
- 14:53:10 [Lauriat]
- Thank you!
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, Makoto, Poornima, janina, sarahhorton, Lauriat, maryjom, Azlan
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