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13:50:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:50:23 <trackbot> Date: 15 June 2022
13:50:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
13:50:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
13:50:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> Chair:  Matthew_Atkinson
13:50:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:50:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:51:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:51:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:51:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:51:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:51:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:51:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
13:51:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Other Business
13:51:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ be done
13:51:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
13:51:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
13:51:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
13:51:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/15-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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14:04:09 <becky> scribe: becky
14:04:23 <becky> zakim, next item
14:04:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:05:31 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
14:05:34 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson: SAUR to be published based on positive resolution to recent CfC, thanks to all for responses. More to come
14:06:15 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson: no response for any additional announcements
14:06:21 <becky> zakim, next itme
14:06:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', becky
14:06:26 <becky> zakim, next item
14:06:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:06:44 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/webrtc-charter/webrtc-charter.html
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14:08:15 <becky> roy: web RTC working group charter; this group mentioned in deliverables section - references MAUR
14:08:31 <becky> roy: also mention RAUR in liason section
14:09:58 <becky> janina: excellent, happy to have them mention MAUR, may be interesting new RQTF proposal, Collaborative AUR: CAUR but probably don't need to mention that in this charter, yet. They work will with us
14:09:58 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/draft-ag-charter
14:10:48 <becky> Roy: Accessibility Guidelines (AG) mention APA in Working group section
14:11:34 <becky> janina: with functional needs moving into APA it is important that we continue to work with them; especially as focus shifts to WCAG 3 after 2.2 released;
14:12:36 <becky> MichaelC: since func. needs was moved into APA, it might be good to mention in liason that AG will be looking to FAST for func. needs.  This group gets a  lot of attention, do we want a broader review of the charter
14:13:05 <becky> janina: I like the idea of mentioning FAST and perhaps should mention maturity model as well
14:13:24 <becky> Fazio: agree to maturity model
14:14:56 <Roy> 2. https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/332
14:15:39 <becky> MichaelC: we should add a comment to the strategy issue for the charter to include FAST and maturity model
14:17:23 <becky> janina: those are two best practices that will be relevant to WCAG 3 but we do have other specs under development that will provide quantitive data that should be included: for example SAUG includes research that can be referenced. We also have WAI-ADAPT
14:17:26 <MichaelC> proposed add  to comment ¨and collaborate on guidelines implications of APA´s AUR documents¨
14:17:45 <becky> janina: and add normative specifications
14:18:14 <becky> MichaelC: we will work on this and will see it in the list again to review the comments
14:18:29 <becky> zakim, next item
14:18:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:19:09 <becky> MichaelC : all of the comments in this category are on one feature of one spec; CSS color spec and color contrast feature
14:20:12 <MichaelC> subtopic: Make color-contrast() candidates optional
14:20:12 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7345
14:20:12 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/125
14:20:12 <MichaelC> subtopic: color-contrast() syntax is confusing
14:20:12 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7354
14:20:13 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/124
14:20:15 <MichaelC> subtopic: It should be possible to specify the contrast algorithm for color-contrast()
14:20:15 <becky> MichaelC : provides the ability to select a color that is WCAG 2.0 color contrast compliant.  Believe we should follow and review
14:20:17 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7356
14:20:19 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/123
14:20:21 <MichaelC> subtopic: color-contrast() should allow specifying multiple contrast algorithms that need to be satisfied
14:20:23 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7357
14:20:27 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/122
14:20:29 <MichaelC> subtopic: color-contrast() should take transparency into account
14:20:31 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7358
14:20:33 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/121
14:20:35 <MichaelC> subtopic: color-contrast() should distinguish foreground and background
14:20:37 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7359
14:20:39 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/120
14:20:41 <MichaelC> subtopic: color-contrast() should support ranges of candidate colors, not just discrete color candidates
14:20:43 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7360
14:20:45 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/119
14:20:47 <MichaelC> subtopic: color-contrast() default algorithm
14:20:49 <MichaelC> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7361
14:20:51 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/118
14:21:45 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson: I have reviewed this issues; Concern that we know the contrast algorithm is going to change and don't want css to diverge from WCAG;
14:22:07 <becky> MichaelC : This issue has been raised and is include within the list above.  Believe we need to pay attention to this. Will keep this open.
14:22:18 <becky> janina: is this still a working draft?
14:22:29 <becky> MichaelC : believe it is an early draft
14:22:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:23:08 <becky> janina : we should advise Silver WG about this so co-chairs of that group can help review as part of their process
14:24:37 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : believe I will complete my review and then APA would have a CfC to file a comment but that doesn't seem necessary since issues have been filed by other; Should we still file an official APA comment
14:26:08 <becky> MichaelC : agree that Matthew_Atkinson completes his review and drafts a comment for APA to review and determine best action; If our discussion in APA concludes there are serious problems we might take a different strategy to build a case and file
14:26:59 <becky> janina: there is still significant work for silver to research and update contrast algorithm so want them aware
14:27:23 <becky> MichaelC : believe low vision task force is the better place to focus attention
14:27:50 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson: want to make sure time scale of a few weeks to file comment is okay
14:28:28 <becky> MichaelC : plan is for CSS to move to CR in a few months - so we shouldn't dawddle
14:29:24 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : we filed a comment about SVG native not providing a way to alternative text, is there follow up for that?
14:30:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:30:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:30:51 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : issue was filed in SVG WG tracker, the people working on spec may not be following the issues closely. We need to wait for a response. Can discuss at APA planning call
14:30:55 <becky> zakim, next item
14:30:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:31:04 <becky> MichaelC : nothing new this week
14:31:23 <becky> zakim, close this item
14:31:23 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:31:24 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:31:24 <Zakim> 5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:31:29 <becky> zakim, next item
14:31:29 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:31:35 <MichaelC> subtopic: Reporting API 1
14:31:35 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Reporting_API_1
14:32:03 <becky> MichaelC : reporting APA PaulG and Lionel_Wolberger_ have reviewed and were going to file a joint comment
14:33:16 <PaulG> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022May/0010.html
14:33:23 <becky> PaulG : we went through a few interactions via email; there was a CfC that was approved; see link above
14:33:39 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : we agreed on the comment but did we actually send?
14:34:10 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : chairs will check on status send if necessary
14:35:04 <MichaelC> subtopic: Verifiable Credentials Data Model 1.0
14:35:04 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Verifiable_Credentials_Data_Model_1.0
14:36:19 <becky> MichaelC : verifiable credentials data model 1.0; last action was to pass to RQTF. Should we keep it open until RQTF completes review?
14:36:49 <becky> janina: We can mark it as complete from APA perspective, RQTF is diving into this entire space
14:37:01 <MichaelC> subtopic: Verifiable Credentials Use Cases
14:37:01 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Verifiable_Credentials_Use_Cases
14:37:23 <becky> MichaelC : verifiable credentials use cases; that has also been passed to RQTF
14:37:27 <MichaelC> subtopic: VISS version 2 - Core
14:37:27 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/VISS_version_2_-_Core
14:38:09 <becky> MichaelC : VISS version 2 core; there is a draft comment from Fredrik that we discussed but haven't taken action
14:39:42 <becky> Fredrik : I suggested we connect with person writing the spec, Ulf (we think). We discussed RQTF looking into this. Need to go back and review the minutes
14:39:49 <MichaelC> subtopic: Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1
14:39:49 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description_1.1
14:39:53 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : we need to circle back on VISS
14:40:48 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : Web of Things Description; we filed an issue, there was a response, we need to follow up on the response - who is responsible
14:41:05 <becky> janina : I am responsible for reply
14:41:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:41:23 <becky> zakim, next item
14:41:23 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:42:26 <becky> subtopic: Adapt
14:43:06 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger_ : look into REL entity;
14:43:23 <becky> subtopic: coga
14:45:23 <becky> Fazio :  presentations at upcoming ICCHP conference in Italy; there is a SC under dev that addresses mental health; need more research into cognitive and technology and effects
14:45:49 <becky> subtopic: pronunciation
14:46:12 <becky> PaulG : nothing new to report; may not have a meeting
14:46:25 <becky> subtopic: RQTF
14:47:23 <becky> janina: major news: remote meetings nearing completion; waiting for comments from EO
14:51:24 <Fazio> q+
14:51:35 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger_ : tracking closely the trend towards password-less login; basic standpoint of APA has been that need to offer dual methods for authentication / biometric alternatives.  When two people involved and there is a 3r party: deaf person with an interpretter; someone with a caretaker.  There is also fiduciary considerations for custodial relationships
14:52:32 <becky> Fazio : as part of mental health progress we want to create a document for guardianship issues which mirrors what Lionel_Wolberger_ was sharing
14:52:56 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger_ : yes 3: guardian ship, caretaker, interpretter
14:53:23 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : sounds like great work in 2 different groups
14:53:32 <becky> subtopic: maturity model
14:53:55 <becky> Fazio : no new news other than we are working in github
14:53:57 <Fazio> connect with COGA on the caretaker and guardianship
14:54:00 <becky> zakim, next item
14:54:00 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, becky
14:54:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:54:08 <becky> ack fazio
14:54:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Fazio
14:54:14 <becky> zakim, next item
14:54:14 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:54:24 <becky> zakim, close this item
14:54:24 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:54:25 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:54:25 <Zakim> 8. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:54:29 <becky> zakim, next item
14:54:29 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:54:59 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : scheduling is mostly complete; chairs are on it
14:55:09 <becky> Fazio : is it too late for breakouts?
14:55:26 <becky> janina : not too late, that planning hasn't started?
14:55:33 <becky> zakim, next item
14:55:33 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:55:50 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/15-apa-minutes.html becky
14:56:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/15-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:56:25 <becky> rrsagent, bye
14:56:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items