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13:46:43 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:48:52 <jeanne> agenda+ Surveys and agenda for AG 14 July -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Jun/0037.html
13:49:27 <jeanne> agenda?
13:49:40 <jeanne> present:
13:49:40 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
13:49:40 <jeanne> present+
13:49:40 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
13:49:40 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:49:41 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
13:49:42 <jeanne> q?
13:49:56 <jeanne> agenda+ Surveys and agenda for AG 14 July -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Jun/0037.html
13:50:18 <jeanne> agenda+ Continuation of guidelines breakdown
13:50:46 <jeanne> agenda+ TPAC planning reminder
13:51:02 <jeanne> agenda order is 1,3,2
13:51:06 <jeanne> agenda?
13:52:19 <jeanne> regrets+ Todd, Azlan, Lauriat
13:52:25 <jeanne> chair:
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13:52:30 <jeanne> chair: jeanne
13:52:34 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:52:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
13:52:57 <jeanne> agenda+ presenting to AGWG
13:53:23 <jeanne> agenda order is 1,3,4,2
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14:04:32 <Makoto> present+
14:04:42 <Poornima> present+
14:05:15 <janina> present+
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14:07:33 <sarahhorton> scribe: sarahhorton
14:07:40 <sarahhorton> zakim, take up next
14:07:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Surveys and agenda for AG 14 July -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Jun/0037.html -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:08:04 <jeanne> Email -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Jun/0037.html
14:08:05 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Topics of interest to this group
14:08:19 <jeanne>  WCAG Editor's Draft Filter -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/filter/
14:08:27 <sarahhorton> ... survey about filter, please review and vote
14:09:08 <sarahhorton> ... test reliability subgroup, last fall redid what should be outcome and method
14:09:15 <sarahhorton> ... been working on writing on using process
14:09:30 <sarahhorton> ... Sarah did work updating process overall, haven't changed that
14:09:44 <sarahhorton> ... only what's in outcome and method, for greater relability
14:09:50 <jeanne> WCAG 3 Pronunciation of text -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/pronounciation_wcag3/
14:09:59 <sarahhorton> ... read and respond
14:10:07 <jeanne> WCAG 3 Categorization exercise
14:10:26 <sarahhorton> ... last part, asking members of this group to share categorization exercise with AG
14:10:44 <sarahhorton> ... please attend, meeting is all WCAG 3, full meeting
14:11:16 <sarahhorton> janina: Deadline for surveys still Mondays?
14:11:34 <sarahhorton> Rachael: Would like Monday evening or early Tuesday
14:11:51 <sarahhorton> ... goal, have to get surveys out earlier and haven't yet
14:12:03 <sarahhorton> ... but getting in before meeting means chairs can review
14:12:42 <sarahhorton> zakim, take up next
14:12:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- TPAC planning reminder -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:13:05 <jeanne> W3C TPAC 2022 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/TPAC/Overview.html
14:13:10 <sarahhorton> jeanne: W3C TPAC, annual technical plenary and advisory committee meeting
14:13:21 <sarahhorton> ... hasn't been in person for 2 years, this year hybrid
14:13:27 <jeanne> 12-16 September in Vancouver, CA
14:13:47 <sarahhorton> ... invite everyone to please participate in person or remotely
14:14:17 <sarahhorton> ... strongly recommend if making travel plans buy reimbursable tickets due to uncertainty of health and travel
14:14:32 <sarahhorton> ... also cost
14:14:47 <sarahhorton> ... put in calendar, look at overview, lots of information — exciting week
14:15:29 <sarahhorton> ... people from different WGs, other conversations, presentations, vendors, broader than accessibility
14:15:31 <Makoto> q+
14:15:45 <sarahhorton> ... fun, Wednesday is presentations
14:15:59 <Rachael> correct.
14:16:01 <sarahhorton> ... meeting M, Tu, Th, and F
14:16:13 <Makoto> q-
14:16:23 <sarahhorton> ... 2 days AG, 2 days Silver, each all the groups, working on conformance
14:16:45 <sarahhorton> ... basic level work done so can have informed discussion re conformance
14:17:15 <sarahhorton> Makoto: Wanted to know which days, so got answer, 4 days
14:17:22 <sarahhorton> ... tough week!
14:17:54 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Yes, haven't looked at details, might be shorter meetings
14:18:24 <sarahhorton> ... remote attendance can be difficult
14:18:34 <sarahhorton> Makoto: Planning to be there
14:18:50 <sarahhorton> zakim, take up next
14:18:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- presenting to AGWG -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:19:20 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Chairs asked for update to AG on migration exercise
14:19:57 <sarahhorton> ... previous meeting AG did breakout rooms, filling out template, will be familiar
14:20:49 <sarahhorton> Rachael: Makoto's and Janina/John K
14:21:02 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Okay with that?
14:21:20 <sarahhorton> janina: Yes, with someone tracking
14:21:28 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Can back up
14:21:40 <sarahhorton> ... Rachael too
14:21:56 <sarahhorton> ... show document, provide highlights, interesting discoveries, then questions
14:22:41 <sarahhorton> Rachael: Would like to wrap up work, make sure people are involved, while having fast groups doing work
14:23:11 <sarahhorton> ... come back together meeting, remind people of process, show outcomes, these SCs breakdown
14:23:19 <sarahhorton> ... ask people to sign up to do others
14:23:34 <sarahhorton> ... compete exercise
14:23:46 <sarahhorton> s/compete/complete
14:24:06 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Close to 30 not done
14:24:19 <sarahhorton> ... get help from AG
14:24:41 <sarahhorton> ... Makoto, encourage people to work on exercise on own
14:25:46 <sarahhorton> ... good work, working hard on this and making good progress, learning
14:26:27 <sarahhorton> ... look into principle 3, reading level, consistent help, a lot haven't been done
14:27:03 <sarahhorton> Rachael: [lists SC that remain]
14:27:50 <kirkwood> consistent help?
14:28:03 <Rachael> Avaialable: Change on request, consistent help, visible controls, labels or instructions, error suggestion, error prevention (AA and AAA), Helo
14:28:11 <Rachael> s/helo/help
14:28:11 <Poornima> Error suggestion, Error prevention, Labels or Instructions
14:28:54 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Work already done on errors, wonder, Sarah, get people who were participating, do offline meeting to update?
14:29:04 <kirkwood> did we finish error?
14:29:09 <sarahhorton> ... so much, hesitate to repeat
14:29:49 <Rachael> scribe: Rachael
14:30:13 <Rachael> Sarah: I think that the group that worked on Errors for the most part isn't still involved. Todd is here sometimes, Suzanne was involved early on.
14:30:21 <Rachael> ...not really a group to pull back together again.
14:30:41 <Rachael> Jeanne: One off meeting, 2-3 people. Not a lot of work because you've already done so work. Lets discuss offline.
14:30:45 <Rachael> Sarah: ok.
14:30:58 <Rachael> ...I think was Todd was planning on picking up the reins there.
14:31:05 <Rachael> Jeanne: I will email both of you after the meeting.
14:31:13 <Rachael> Jeanne: 2 groups, consistent help and labels/instructions.
14:31:15 <Rachael> Scribe: Sarah
14:31:40 <jeanne> Consistent Help ->
14:31:59 <jeanne> Consistent Help -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y5VBgtBIuiYrimL7NzH78XFtG1FmJdqcjzI-lukKc7A/edit
14:32:05 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Sets up breakout rooms
14:32:28 <jeanne> Labels & Instructions -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1maq51Hi7FpZNUuJT1bBE0YC7yeb7xLTBgg6dw_saKT8/edit?usp=sharing
14:32:46 <sarahhorton> ... document for each group, pick a room
14:53:46 <janina> https://www.w3.org/TR/adapt-content/
14:54:09 <janina> https://www.w3.org/TR/adapt-help/
14:55:35 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Welcome back!
14:55:48 <sarahhorton> ... updates?
14:55:54 <Poornima> q+
14:56:13 <sarahhorton> Poornima: Access to Google docs?
14:56:26 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Yes, will give access to everyone
14:56:36 <sarahhorton> s/everyone/everything
14:57:14 <sarahhorton> ... Help group got partway through, will need more time
14:57:52 <sarahhorton> Poornima: Just started, talked about first section, functional needs, going to edit at own pace before next meeting
14:58:09 <sarahhorton> Makoto: Each will work this week, next week, going to pull together
14:58:21 <sarahhorton> jeanne: Will make sure gets into database
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14:59:39 <sarahhorton> rrsagent, make minutes
14:59:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/10-silver-minutes.html sarahhorton