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13:49:15 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
13:49:15 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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13:50:26 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ How can we improve the understanding of AccessModeSufficient: Issue #117
13:50:42 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Update from accessibility summary guidance document sub task force
13:50:55 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Update from MARC cross walk sub task force:
13:51:07 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Scheduling the next call.
13:51:18 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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14:04:41 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:04:42 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- How can we improve the understanding of AccessModeSufficient: Issue #117 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:04:51 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/117
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14:05:24 <gautier> avneesh: a lot of discussion happening on this issue.
14:05:58 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:06:23 <GeorgeK> q+
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14:07:24 <AvneeshSingh> ack geor
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14:08:30 <gautier> GeorgesK: textual,auditory vs textual (no coma) auditory meaning different things is very confusing
14:08:53 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:08:56 <mgarrish> q+
14:09:08 <gautier> not having coma separated value would help (not possible in schema.org but may be in our recommandation.
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14:10:17 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:10:21 <MURATA> +q
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14:12:26 <gautier> mgarrish: coma is the only way it works unfortunately.
14:12:30 <AvneeshSingh> ack madel
14:13:32 <gautier> Madeleine: schema.org does not apply only to epub. We may be the only place where we document this but those metadats can be used in other places than epub.
14:13:41 <mgarrish> q+
14:13:54 <gautier> This feature may be irrelevant to epub but neede in other contexts.
14:14:08 <gautier> anyway meeting the need of epub is high priority
14:14:10 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:14:42 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:15:51 <gautier> mgarrish: this is to be documented in epub accessibility technique. make sure we don't influence the vocabulary (for others contexts)
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14:16:36 <gautier> AvneeshSingh: short term solution is to emphasis single values.
14:16:36 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:16:55 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
14:17:01 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/09-pcg-a11y-minutes.html CharlesL
14:17:39 <mgarrish> q+
14:17:43 <Madeleine> q+
14:18:38 <CharlesL> q+
14:19:58 <gautier> LarsW: epub that do need multiple modes for being suficient exists.
14:20:25 <gautier> Madeleine: it's "each entry shloud be one single line"
14:20:28 <Madeleine> q-
14:21:16 <Madeleine> q+
14:23:17 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:23:17 <Madeleine> q-
14:24:34 <mgarrish> q+
14:24:57 <AvneeshSingh> ack ch
14:25:04 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:25:04 <gautier> CharlesL: usecase a book with undescribed picture will get "textual visual" (need the two sense to be consumed).
14:25:41 <Madeleine> +1 to Matt
14:26:25 <gautier> AvneeshSingh: we ave a short term arrangement. We'll keep discussing this on the futur.
14:26:40 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:26:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Update from accessibility summary guidance document sub task force -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:26:44 <mgarrish> https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-tech-11/#meta-002
14:26:53 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/
14:29:23 <zheng_xu> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/#accessibility-features
14:29:31 <gautier> GeorgeK: 4.4 is a big table. We should remove some items.
14:29:42 <ChrisOliverOttawa> MARC crosswalk -- can be just two or three minutes. So feel free to take more time for this issue of the summary
14:31:33 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:36:21 <AlexGrover> q+
14:38:39 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:40:13 <gautier> CharlesL: we should specify that accessibilityFeature = 'index' means there is a linked index usefull for navigation thru screen reader
14:42:10 <gautier> zheng_xu: for accessibilityFeature = 'latex' we may wait for a usecase (i do latex but it's converted to HTML).
14:49:52 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:51:46 <gautier> GeorgeK: next work is creation of exemples
14:51:54 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:51:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Update from MARC cross walk sub task force: -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:52:12 <zheng_xu> Put something I remembered here:
14:52:40 <zheng_xu> s/Put something I remembered here://g
14:55:36 <gautier> ChrisOliverOttawa: had a meeting with marrakech implementation metadata group. Crosswalk is important for them. Description of vocabulary is very important for Librarians.
14:56:35 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:56:36 <gautier> More feedback by next week
14:56:37 <GeorgeK> q+
14:56:55 <AvneeshSingh> ack ge
14:57:36 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:57:49 <Michelle_> q+
14:58:41 <gautier> AccessibiltySummary is very important has it stands the Publisher efforts while file and other metadats can be modified by vendor. It's easy to grab and display.
14:58:57 <gautier> Librarians will value this accessibilitySummay
15:00:23 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:00:23 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, AvneeshSingh
15:00:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:00:37 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:00:39 <gautier> Michelle_: there is a growing danger for accessibility non compliant publications.
15:01:09 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:01:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/danger/danger of lawsuits in universities and their libraries/
15:01:15 <Madeleine> June 30 is fine for me
15:02:08 <zheng_xu> I added issue for latex here btw https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/37
15:02:22 <MURATA> present+
15:02:49 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:03:01 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/09-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:03:31 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
15:03:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, gautier, zheng_xu, GeorgeK, mgarrish, AlexGrover, Naomi__, Bill_Kasdorf, g_pellegrino, Michelle_, CharlesL, MURATA
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