11:52:05 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:52:05 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/06/08-wot-irc 11:52:10 meeting: WoT-IG/WG 12:01:06 sebastian has joined #wot 12:01:15 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:01:22 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:01:42 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:03:42 mjk has joined #wot 12:05:00 present+ Fady_Salama, Michael_Koster, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:05:34 scribenick: kaz 12:05:45 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#8_June_2022 12:05:49 matsuda has joined #wot 12:05:54 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:06:02 present+ Michael_Koster 12:06:24 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:06:35 topic: Guests? 12:06:37 none 12:06:43 McCool has joined #wot 12:06:59 topic: Minutes 12:07:23 cris_ has joined #wot 12:08:03 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/06/01-wot-minutes.html June-1 12:08:33 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:09:09 chair: Sebastian/McCool 12:09:15 dape has joined #wot 12:09:26 (Sebastian goes through the minutes) 12:11:07 mm: note there will be many restrictions for TPAC 2022 12:11:16 ... should have more discussion later 12:11:23 sk: ok 12:12:08 ... minutes themselves look good 12:12:14 mm: no issue to me either 12:12:25 (approved) 12:12:55 topic: IEEE P2874 12:13:06 mm: joined he meeitng on June 1 12:13:54 sk: (shows the slides) 12:14:07 mm: we need to think about geospatial discovery 12:14:15 ... and also how to deal with geospatial data 12:14:30 ... another meeting proposed with OGC as well 12:15:29 ... related to time series data 12:15:37 ek: I'm also interested 12:15:48 i|joined|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2022-06-WoT-IEEE-P2874-McCool.pdf McCool's slides| 12:16:04 topic: OGC TC Meeting 12:16:17 -> https://portal.ogc.org/meet/#kt_tab_pane_2022-06-15 OGC TC 12:16:35 mm: invited by Linda and Cristine from the Spatial Data on the Web WG 12:16:51 ... will be held on June 15 12:17:06 ... but the time is very early at my place 12:17:27 ... another option is June 23 during their WG meeting instead 12:17:50 ... McCool will present summary and propose a joint call during TPAC 2022 12:18:16 ... for me June 23 would be much more convenient 12:18:42 ... let's follow up with the email from Linda and Cristine 12:18:47 sk: ok 12:18:59 topic: Cancellations 12:19:18 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations and Schedule Updates 12:19:37 q+ 12:20:22 sk: TD call today depends on the resolution for the WD publication 12:20:29 q+ to remove outdated cancellation entries 12:20:38 ... next week, I myself will not be available 12:20:49 ... but Ege can moderate it 12:20:52 ek: yes 12:20:58 ack d 12:20:58 dape, you wanted to remove outdated cancellation entries 12:21:02 ack dape 12:21:08 dp: suggest we remove the old entries 12:21:28 q- 12:22:29 sk: DTDL discussion on June 21 12:22:44 mm: same time for the use cases/editors call 12:23:04 ... will send an explicit calendar invite to make sure 12:24:02 topic: TPAC 12:24:17 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/TPAC/Overview.html TPAC page 12:25:01 sk: TPAC page is available now 12:25:18 mm: last week Kaz mentioned the time zones varies much 12:25:38 ... and difficult to find a good slot for all the remote participants from various time zones 12:26:10 q+ 12:26:12 ... if the fee is per day, would make sense to have a meeting on a specific day 12:26:54 ... physical meeting would be useful for collaboration 12:27:03 ... also demos 12:27:26 ... normally we have 15 hours for our (v)f2f meetings 12:27:28 q+ 12:27:44 ... but difficult to find good times for Asia, Europe and Vancouver 12:27:51 ... need to identify the slot carefully 12:28:10 dp: keeping it one day is fine 12:28:17 ... but the fee is per day? 12:28:34 mm: seems it's per event... 12:28:42 ack dape 12:28:59 (per person event fees) 12:29:04 q+ 12:29:48 mm: joint meeting with Spatial group would make sense 12:30:19 sk: OK with having only joint meeting within one day 12:30:48 ... and having a detailed group meeting the following week 12:31:02 ack e 12:31:08 ek: a bit confused 12:31:49 ... can understand the time restriction, but do we need to have our meeting during the restricted time? 12:32:11 mm: the question is the time difference with the various areas 12:32:26 ... Vancouver, Europe and Asia 12:32:45 ... Vancouver time is PDT 12:32:59 ... so there are just limited choices 12:33:48 ek: will we have official joint meeting between WoT-IG/WG and other groups? 12:34:09 ... or each individual will visit their own interested groups? 12:34:39 mm: people can't attend due to various reasons including their companies policies 12:34:59 q+ 12:35:01 ... the main point is it's not feasible to find good slots 12:35:09 q- 12:35:22 ack d 12:35:40 dp: you can still have a whole-day meeting if the agenda is stable 12:35:50 ... people can just choose their interested sessions 12:36:01 ack dape 12:36:09 ... even some of them are held at difficult times 12:36:32 q+ 12:36:50 ek: we can pick a bit earlier slots, etc., if needed 12:37:01 mm: need to see which slots are feasible 12:37:25 ack k 12:37:43 kaz: agree 12:38:01 ... then we should identify which discussion would need physical participation 12:38:13 ... and which can be handled by remote discussion 12:38:29 ek: think all the possible topics can be handled by remote discussion 12:38:43 ... what is important is the "f2f feeling" 12:38:45 q? 12:38:58 q+ 12:39:23 ... Charter discussion for 1.1 period in Munich was complicated 12:39:33 s/complicated/complicated, though/ 12:40:30 ack k 12:40:33 kaz: right 12:40:53 ... so we should get a rough sketch of the agenda items 12:41:02 ... and see which part to be handled how 12:41:23 topic: Publicaitons 12:41:45 sk: any updates on wide reviews? 12:42:12 mm: we need to add "need review" GitHub labels 12:43:11 ... for example, TD issue 1497 has "privacy-needs-resolution" label 12:43:31 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1497 wot-thing-description Issue 1497 - Identifiers don't seem to rotate enough 12:43:45 ek: anything to be added? 12:43:52 mm: still waiting for responses 12:44:00 s/ek:/sk:/ 12:44:12 sk: what about Discovery? 12:44:23 mm: only issue is HTTP vs CoAP 12:44:52 ... currently, the Explainer highlights HTTP only 12:45:30 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/blob/main/explainer/Explainer.md WoT Discovery Explainer 12:45:57 mm: CoAP would be nice for small devices 12:47:03 q+ 12:47:45 ek: don't think we should add CoAP from now 12:47:56 mm: that's my impression too 12:48:42 sk: why don't we add a simple note to section 7.2 saying "CoAP can do similarly" or something like that 12:49:07 mm: could do that but it's too late and may cause an additional error 12:49:12 q? 12:50:00 kaz: I'm OK with not adding CoAP at this stage 12:50:23 ... but the Discovery Explainer doesn't have a link to the Discovery draft though it includes links for TD and Architecture 12:50:26 mm: good catch 12:50:31 ... will add a link 12:50:33 kaz: tx 12:50:39 topic: TD updated WD 12:50:54 sk: would ask a resolution for publication 12:51:25 ... got only one comment from Daniel about ReSpec errors 12:52:26 s/only one/a/ 12:53:01 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1520 wot-thing-description Issue 1520 - ReSpec Error - Reference "[ACE-OAuth]" not found 12:53:26 sk: also some more issues 12:53:33 q+ 12:53:42 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1523 wot-thing-description Issue 1523 - Missing RFC-2119 Keywords in Assertions 12:54:23 sk: also i18n 12:54:40 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1516 wot-thing-description Issue 1516 - Limiting the length of strings 12:54:48 ack dape 12:54:56 s/got a comment/got comments/ 12:55:43 dp: related PR there 12:56:14 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1526 wot-thing-description PR 1526 - refactor: makes clear what the length of a string is based on 12:56:35 mm: OK with following what JSONSchema does 12:57:27 q? 12:57:36 sk: let's merge PR 1526 then 12:57:43 (merged) 12:58:31 kaz: this is a publication for an updated CR 12:58:37 ... so let's move forward! 12:59:32 ... let's make a resolution for that now :) 13:00:35 DP: w.r.t. string length, RFC8529 says "A string is a sequence of zero or more Unicode characters [UNICODE]." 13:01:55 proposal: the editors draft in the main branch on the TD repo will be published as new WD and will be seen as the TD 1.1 CR candidate. 13:02:11 resolution: the editors draft in the main branch on the TD repo will be published as new WD and will be seen as the TD 1.1 CR candidate. 13:02:50 mm: Discovery also expected to make resolution next week 13:02:58 ... might be delayed a bit 13:03:27 topic: Charter 13:03:47 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wotwg2022/ AC Review for the WoT WG Charter 13:04:05 sk: please ask your AC Reps to support the Charter! 13:04:18 ... still need 12 more supports to get 20 supports 13:04:29 topic: Testing 13:04:41 mm: latest test results have been checked in 13:05:44 ... (shows the latest rendered results on his PC) 13:06:58 kaz: if you could set up the github pages setting, maybe we could directly see the rendered HTML 13:07:03 mm: let's talk about that offline 13:07:31 ek: have created a new PR for instruction updates 13:07:51 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/331 wot-testing PR 331 - Add further testfest instructions 13:08:02 mm: we need input data from implementers 13:09:17 ... manual.csv is the template for your input 13:09:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.06.Online/TD/manual.csv manual.csv 13:11:16 kaz: just to make sure, not "template.csv" but "manual.csv" 13:11:19 ... right? 13:11:23 mm: yes 13:11:46 sk: TDs and TMs are also welcome 13:12:34 kaz: and we'll continue the testing discussion tomorrow and Friday 13:12:37 mm: yes 13:12:52 ... and I and Fady will also have some discussion right now 13:12:56 topic: TD call 13:13:17 kaz: just to make sure, there sill be no TD call given we've already make a resolution for publication. right? 13:13:25 mm: right 13:13:48 ... will send an updated calendar invite for cancellation 13:13:52 kaz: tx 13:15:01 [adjourned] 13:15:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:15:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/08-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:15:33 rrsagent, make log public 13:17:09 present+ Michael_McCool 13:17:11 rrsagent, make log public 13:17:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:17:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/08-wot-minutes.html kaz