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12:58:37 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
12:58:48 <jeanne> Chair: Shawn, Jeanne
12:59:18 <jeanne> agenda+  Surveys in AG this week
12:59:59 <jeanne> agenda+ Review sub-guidelines for Low or No Background Audio from Makoto
13:00:15 <jeanne> agenda+ Continue Guideline Migration exercise
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13:58:46 <Lauriat> agenda?
13:58:58 <Lauriat> Present+
14:00:43 <jeanne> regrets: Makoto
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14:03:01 <Lauriat> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List
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14:03:11 <janina> present+
14:03:17 <ToddL> present+
14:03:40 <maryjom> present+
14:04:51 <ToddL> scribe: ToddL
14:05:23 <jeanne> zakm, drop item 1
14:05:31 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:05:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Surveys in AG this week -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:05:46 <jeanne> Update Accessibility Supported Placeholder -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/accessibility_supported_placeholder/
14:05:46 <jeanne> Add Real World Accessibility as Placeholder -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/placeholder_partial_accessibility/
14:06:19 <ToddL> Jeanne: Two that are relevant are linked above. Please answer surveys before Monday.
14:06:31 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:06:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review sub-guidelines for Low or No Background Audio from Makoto -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:07:39 <Rachael> q+
14:08:58 <ToddL> maryjom: Issues with survey page, this will be addressed per Rachael
14:09:07 <jeanne> Low or No Background Audio -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N7m-bJn9RcrVNS6BITpl8KFl_Tx3H6TFIGcN8uAy-Sg/
14:09:43 <ToddL> group is now reviewing Makotos work on Low or No Background Audio
14:11:21 <Lauriat> q+ to say I think we also drafted this last week in the group?
14:11:28 <janina> q+
14:11:38 <jeanne> ack rach
14:11:55 <Rachael> q+
14:12:05 <Rachael> q-
14:12:27 <Lauriat> ack me
14:12:27 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to say I think we also drafted this last week in the group?
14:12:59 <janina> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/#clean-audio
14:13:53 <ToddL> Group is discussing the three sub-guidelines
14:14:43 <ToddL> q+
14:14:56 <Lauriat> ack ToddL
14:18:38 <janina> +1 to Makoto
14:18:42 <Lauriat> q+
14:19:10 <janina> q+
14:19:35 <Rachael> q+ to ask if that would be its own sub guidline?
14:20:04 <Lauriat> ack me
14:20:27 <Lauriat> ack janina
14:24:02 <Lauriat> q+ to note customizability in general as a potential approach for this
14:24:08 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:24:08 <Zakim> Rachael, you wanted to ask if that would be its own sub guidline?
14:24:37 <jeanne> ack laur
14:24:37 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note customizability in general as a potential approach for this
14:25:50 <janina> q+
14:26:40 <janina> q-
14:27:43 <ToddL> * started a theme here
14:27:52 <janina> q+
14:28:58 <Lauriat> Adding them to the sub-guidelines now
14:31:14 <Lauriat> ack janina
14:31:16 <ToddL> q+
14:32:28 <janina> scribe+ janina
14:32:29 <Lauriat> q+ to ask whether this seems like essentially a less-strict outcome than no background audio
14:32:32 <Lauriat> ack ToddL
14:32:44 <Lauriat> Thanks, Todd!
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14:32:59 <maryjom_> present+
14:33:36 <janina> jeanne: reads from Makoto's suggestion ... test=objective
14:33:48 <janina> jeanne: this is 20db diff
14:34:24 <janina> Lauriat: less strict than none? suggests a range of variation
14:34:44 <janina> Lauriat: has some subjectivity; how frequent the occasional sounds happen
14:35:36 <janina> jeanne: frequent occurance and persistence of ambient sound that are 20db below primary audio
14:36:48 <janina> Lauriat: notes similar to color contrast; but noting there may be need for some variance, e.g. 30db rather than 20db based on situations
14:37:27 <janina> q+
14:37:39 <jeanne> ack Lauriat
14:37:39 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to ask whether this seems like essentially a less-strict outcome than no background audio
14:40:11 <Lauriat> q+ to note a suggestion of a future note around mixing for the intended audience
14:40:15 <Lauriat> ack janina
14:41:09 <jeanne> ack lauriat
14:41:09 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note a suggestion of a future note around mixing for the intended audience
14:41:51 <janina> Lauriat: suggests an overall suggested level with supplamental docs on mixing for intended audience, etc
14:42:32 <janina> Lauriat: taking audience into account incl. expectations of where it will be listened to
14:43:45 <janina> janina: XR is an environment that is rich in this kind of audio
14:43:56 <janina> jeanne: was my thought that it has lots of discussion already
14:44:10 <janina> Rachael: captured into our notes;
14:44:38 <janina> /note/added to doc down below/
14:44:58 <janina> Rachael: at least we've captured for future discussion
14:45:22 <Lauriat> Awesome, thank you!
14:45:32 <janina> +1
14:45:39 <ToddL> +1
14:46:00 <Lauriat> +1, done enough for now!
14:46:07 <janina> +1 -- best for now
14:47:14 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
14:47:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/03-silver-minutes.html jeanne