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13:50:38 <GeorgeK> meeting: PCG A11Y Accessibility Summary
13:50:56 <GeorgeK> date 02 June 2022
13:51:08 <GeorgeK> chair: Georgek
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13:51:38 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2022/06/02-pcg-a11y-irc#T13-51-38
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14:03:31 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: First agenda item: scope of accessibility summary
14:04:09 <MURATA> +q
14:04:10 <zheng_xu> topic: A11ySummary sub-Taskforce call on June 2
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14:04:46 <mgarrish> q+
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14:04:56 <CharlesL> q?
14:04:59 <mgarrish> ack MURATA
14:05:20 <zheng_xu> MURATA: I would like to also cover odf(?) in a11y summary scope
14:05:20 <CharlesL> q+
14:05:53 <zheng_xu> ... and epub specific machine readable metadata
14:06:50 <zheng_xu> s/odf/OOXML/g
14:07:27 <zheng_xu> MURATA: possible interaction between machine readable metadata and human readable metadata
14:07:43 <CharlesL> ack mgarrish
14:08:19 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: we might want to provide every cases - pdf and other format
14:08:35 <zheng_xu> s/might want to/might not want to/g
14:09:12 <CharlesL> ack me
14:09:29 <zheng_xu> ... epub is certainly what we should focus on and I am fine with only focus on it for now since other format might not have a11y spec defined yet
14:10:09 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: I agree with focusing on epub
14:10:36 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: ok, we can remove audio book section for now
14:10:51 <CharlesL> q+
14:10:55 <zheng_xu> ... what about mediaoverlay and FXL when present?
14:11:11 <MURATA> +1
14:11:41 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: I think we definitely need to address FXL
14:11:57 <zheng_xu> ... we might want to go to FXL TF to see what they suggest
14:12:35 <zheng_xu> q+
14:12:40 <CharlesL> ack me
14:13:07 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: yes we might want to create FXL section
14:13:33 <zheng_xu> ... I would also think if there is a FXL what is needed to be presented in summary
14:13:43 <mgarrish> q+
14:13:50 <CharlesL> ack zheng_xu
14:15:14 <CharlesL> ack mgarrish
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14:15:55 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: I have concern about what we should put positive information for FXL book, otherwise publisher might not want to add it
14:15:58 <zheng_xu> q+
14:16:10 <CharlesL> ack zheng_xu
14:16:42 <CharlesL> q+
14:16:42 <gautier> q+
14:17:28 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: and the information is already included in opf that we know if it's FXL or not
14:17:38 <Naomi> present+
14:18:12 <CharlesL> ack me
14:18:18 <CharlesL> ack gautier
14:18:53 <zheng_xu> gautier: if you check FXL book with ACE then we might not have info about it
14:19:03 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: would you pls report it to ACE
14:20:32 <gautier> The issue was opened in ACE github time ago : https://github.com/daisy/ace/issues/177
14:20:55 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: looks like we have a lot to do with FXL with a11y
14:21:43 <zheng_xu> ... one other thing is in a11y metadata we should not contradict information that is already in the book metadata
14:22:08 <zheng_xu> ... ok, next what about media-overlay
14:23:05 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: how many media-overlay books we have?
14:23:14 <MURATA> In JP, no trade books have MO.  DAISY textbooks do.
14:23:30 <MURATA> +1
14:23:31 <mgarrish> q+
14:23:32 <zheng_xu> Naomi: we have a lot child books with SMIL but yes we don't have much overall. I think we can skip media-overlay for now
14:23:47 <CharlesL> ack mgarrish
14:24:10 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: I agree with not much to say about media-overlay in the a11y summary yet
14:24:23 <zheng_xu> q+
14:24:32 <CharlesL> ack zheng_xu
14:26:28 <zheng_xu> zheng_xu: do we have some case that screen reader overlap reading with media-overlay?
14:26:47 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: I only have encounter this from some test book
14:28:32 <zheng_xu> Naomi: I agree with not put to current accessibility summary yet
14:28:48 <CharlesL> q+
14:29:23 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: how do we know there is mediaoverlay in the book?
14:29:26 <gpellegrino> q+
14:29:44 <CharlesL> ack gpellegrino
14:30:03 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: yeah, some session in accessibilityFeature we can use and reading app knows about media-overlay
14:30:06 <CharlesL> ack me
14:32:08 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: ok it can be a lot easier to move forward without FXL and media overlay section at this moment
14:34:03 <zheng_xu> Naomi: I think we should say in accessibility metadata that treat absense is unknown?
14:34:51 <gpellegrino> q+
14:34:54 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: I would suggest in a11y summary we should cover if the book is reflowable or not
14:35:12 <zheng_xu> Naomi: the question is if end user would understand that - reflowable or FXL
14:35:15 <gautier> q+
14:35:48 <mgarrish> q+
14:35:59 <CharlesL> ack gpellegrino
14:36:27 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: I think the neuance is to provide some information
14:36:47 <zheng_xu> gpellegrino: we should be platform independent
14:37:29 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: the same as MathML that we let publisher be able to provide this information
14:37:47 <CharlesL> ack gautier
14:39:44 <CharlesL> ack mgarrish
14:40:48 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: I agree we should use more public understandable language instead of reflowable or FXL
14:41:54 <zheng_xu> Action item to GeorgeK: add bullet point to expand jargon terms to be more readable language
14:42:51 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: next agenda item. Do we want to add a bullet point mentioning about markup
14:43:14 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: yes I agree we can add bullet point about using plain text and avoid markup in a11y metadata
14:43:45 <CharlesL> q+
14:44:35 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: I don't think anything from WG could have large impact on TF here
14:45:50 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: how about bookmark and other a11y role do we need to transform to a11y summary?
14:46:27 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: I lean on focus on the things we really want to put in a11y summary and avoid a huge table
14:47:40 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: for a11y features I agree with just pick most common and have big impact - such as MathML - in summary
14:48:02 <zheng_xu> ... and make it short, don't need to be a complete table to cover all a11y features
14:48:57 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: there is also some a11y feature we might not need to put in a11y summary
14:49:31 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: ok, we can focus on must essential things in a11y summary
14:51:12 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: do we still need an abstract in the spec
14:51:26 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: yes we still need a brief introduction in spec
14:52:55 <zheng_xu> zakim, end meeting
14:52:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been MURATA, gautier, zheng_xu, gpellegrino, AlexGrover, CharlesL, Naomi
14:52:57 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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14:53:00 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, zheng_xu; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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