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13:45:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:45:51 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2022
13:45:58 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:46:06 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/4e5482e3-94c9-4875-abb7-1bf44c66bdf9/20220602T150000
13:46:06 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:46:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:46:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:46:09 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:46:11 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:46:13 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:46:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Manifest translations (review)
13:46:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:46:18 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:46:34 <addison> regrets+ Richard, Felix
13:48:14 <addison> agenda+ request to make 'jlreq-d' repository for so-called JDLreq note
13:58:02 <addison> present+ Addison
13:58:31 <addison> present+ Atsushi
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14:00:37 <addison> present+ JcK
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14:05:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:02 <addison> agenda?
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14:11:40 <xfq_> present+
14:11:54 <Bert> present+
14:11:57 <Bert> scribe+
14:12:04 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:12:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:11 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:12:58 <Bert> action-1152?
14:12:59 <trackbot> action-1152 -- Addison Phillips to Set up tpac calls for tue/thurs at usual times and corresponding wiki pages -- due 2022-05-26 -- OPEN
14:12:59 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1152
14:13:08 <Bert> addison: Working on wiki pages.
14:13:17 <Bert> action-1153?
14:13:17 <trackbot> action-1153 -- John Klensin to Review wot-discovery and our comment #1522 for service name restrictions in iana -- due 2022-05-26 -- OPEN
14:13:17 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1153
14:14:27 <Bert> JcK: Goose chase led to RFC 6635 about service names, "ldh", letters, case-insens, hyphen, digits.
14:15:34 <Bert> ... So will reject. Serious arguments about protocol arguments, but will probably lead to nothing.
14:16:07 <Bert> addison: We should probably go to WoT and say that the state of the world is LDH tokens.
14:16:52 <Bert> JcK: Might also mention that there is a 15-char restriction.
14:17:12 <Bert> addison: So action-1153 is done.
14:17:14 <addison> action: addison: update wot-discovery our #1522
14:17:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1156 - Update wot-discovery our #1522 [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-06-09].
14:17:42 <Bert> JcK: I can find the exact RFC references.
14:17:53 <Bert> action-1154?
14:17:53 <trackbot> action-1154 -- Fuqiao Xue to Look into unicode support in ecma-262 as referenced by wot-description -- due 2022-06-02 -- OPEN
14:17:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1154
14:18:30 <Bert> xfq_: Did some research. About regular expressions.
14:19:00 <Bert> ... Can set a U-flag on regex to allow Unicode support. Affects negated character classes, e.g.
14:19:32 <Bert> ... Also affects character class escapes, such as what is whitespace.
14:19:48 <Bert> ... A few things I don't know if they are a problem:
14:20:02 <Bert> ... The I-flag is for case-insensitive.
14:20:28 <Bert> ... With I + U, all chars are case-folded according to simple Unicode case folding.
14:21:22 <Bert> ... Regex cannot match a grapheme cluster, only a code point. E.g., a single "." matches a code point, such as a combining mark.
14:21:47 <xfq_> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#stringschema
14:21:50 <Bert> addison: We can look at it more deeply in terms of recommendations to spec writers.
14:23:13 <Bert> addison: let's close action-1154. I don't expect we will make more comments.
14:23:22 <Bert> action-1155?
14:23:22 <trackbot> action-1155 -- Addison Phillips to Make review of manifest document (add link) homework -- due 2022-06-02 -- OPEN
14:23:22 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1155
14:23:32 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:23:33 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:23:58 <Bert> addison: My email address will change next week.
14:24:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:24:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:24:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:25:29 <Bert> addison: CSS Color 5, who wants an easy review?
14:25:39 <Bert> atsushi: I think I can do that one.
14:26:17 <Bert> addison: WebXR AR module 1?
14:26:55 <Bert> atsushi: I raised the issue and I can do it.
14:28:25 <Bert> addison: WoT arch?
14:28:30 <Bert> xfq_: Done
14:28:55 <addison> agenda?
14:29:11 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:29:11 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- request to make 'jlreq-d' repository for so-called JDLreq note -- taken up [from addison]
14:29:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:29:45 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2022May/0012.html
14:30:17 <Bert> atsushi: I reported about next edition from jlreq task force. The TF decided to have a new document.
14:30:25 <Bert> ... Still discussiong the title.
14:30:42 <Bert> ... But would already like to have a new repository.
14:30:59 <Bert> ... The -d refers to "digital".
14:31:22 <Bert> addison: So developed in parallel to jlreq?
14:31:24 <Bert> atsushi: Yes.
14:31:50 <Bert> addison: Wondering about the name...
14:32:35 <Bert> atsushi: The d was originally digital age, but some members thought there could be more meaning to it.
14:33:30 <Bert> ... Still wondering about the longer, full title.
14:33:55 <Bert> addison: Maybe choose a better shortname that is more helpful than just "d".
14:34:23 <addison> action: atsushi: create jlreq-d repo
14:34:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1157 - Create jlreq-d repo [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2022-06-09].
14:34:33 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:34:33 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Manifest translations (review) -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:34:45 <addison> https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/translations-explainer.md
14:35:45 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/localizable-manifests/#common-approaches
14:35:47 <Bert> addison: About translating manifests in webapps. It has a number of flaws.
14:36:22 <xfq_> W3C
14:36:22 <xfq_> Developing Localizable Manifests -> https://w3c.github.io/localizable-manifests/
14:36:58 <Bert> ... They are adding a block to add translations for specific items, but I think it can't work. It means the translations have to match the order and count of items, because there is no link between them.
14:37:22 <Bert> ... And JSON libraries can reorder the JSON and break the translations.
14:37:34 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/968#issuecomment-1138004703
14:37:45 <Bert> xfq_: I looked at it and my original issue was about direction metadata.
14:38:00 <Bert> addison: This document ignores that issue.
14:38:13 <xfq_> s/direction metadata/language and direction metadata/
14:38:27 <addison> action: addison: create issues against WICG/manifest-incubations in our repo for review
14:38:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1158 - Create issues against wicg/manifest-incubations in our repo for review [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-06-09].
14:39:02 <Bert> addison: I'll make some issues for us to discuss next week.
14:39:15 <Bert> ... And send them an email.
14:40:08 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/278
14:41:24 <Bert> xfq_: I added the i18n-tracker label. I don't know which spec this belongs to.
14:41:45 <Bert> ... But it seems i18n-related.
14:43:09 <Bert> addison: Word boundaries.
14:43:43 <addison> agenda?
14:43:48 <Bert> ... Reasonable that we track it. Not sure if do take any action.
14:43:57 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:43:57 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:43:58 <Bert> s/do/we/
14:44:23 <addison> Topic: WebGPU
14:44:24 <Bert> xfq_: About WebGPU
14:44:25 <xfq_> https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/2780#issuecomment-1141227619
14:44:47 <Bert> ... Issue about direction metadata for messages.
14:45:18 <Bert> ... They decided to add lang & dir to all returned strings.
14:45:30 <Bert> ... If there is no translation, it will return English.
14:46:08 <Bert> ... And it could mention that the translation is missing.
14:46:23 <Bert> ... It is not in spec yet.
14:46:59 <Bert> addison: Is it written that the default language is English?
14:47:23 <Bert> ... Could be "an appropriate default".
14:48:00 <Bert> atsushi: Some specific implementations could use only one language.
14:48:22 <xfq_> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#l10n_api_lang_defaulting
14:48:23 <Bert> ... A Russian browser might also have russian, e.g.
14:48:58 <Bert> xfq_: ^^ is out current guidance.
14:49:03 <Bert> s/out/our/
14:49:25 <Bert> s/also/only/
14:49:53 <Bert> xfq_: I will reply to them.
14:50:52 <Bert> Bert: regrets from me for next 2 weeks.
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