IRC log of rqtf on 2022-06-01

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 01 June 2022

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chair: jasonjgw

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agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.

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agenda+ Accessibility of remote meetings.

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agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.

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agenda+ Accessibility of collaboration tools.

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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.

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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.

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zakim, agenda?

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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

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2. Accessibility of remote meetings. [from jasonjgw]

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3. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]

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4. Accessibility of collaboration tools. [from jasonjgw]

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5. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

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6. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]

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present+

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present+

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Scribenick: Joshue108

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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scribe+ Joshue108

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JW: Lets discuss these

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JS: I looked back for resolution but we didn't log it correctly

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It needs to be entered by the scribe

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https://raw.githack.com/w3c/saur/CFC-2022June/index.html

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RESOLUTION: RQTF requests APA call for consensus to publish SAUR as found at https://raw.githack.com/w3c/saur/CFC-2022June/index.html as a W3C Note

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JW: Any objections

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/01-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108

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JS: This will be out at some point today - CFC

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JW: Two other matters are - that Michael is still working on this

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JS: Yes, we can update in place

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JW: I've also circulated a draft note

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JS: May need to re-ping on that

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CFC open till midnight next Weds

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JW: We can work on announcements

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JS: We hope to publish on 14th of June

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agenda?

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JS: There is an issue around some lost messaging

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We need access to older version of messages.

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JW: We can work on announcement text

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Accessibility of remote meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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JW: There was one open issue on this

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Seeking clarification on applicability of WCAG to content presented during remote meeting

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There is an open PR on this

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Adds a clarification

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If content is shared via screen sharing it should still be accessible a la WCAG

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JW: There are also comments from Matt Atkinson - I've pinged him on this.

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We can integrate suggestions

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Do we want to merge now or wait for comments

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SH: +1 to merging change

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Good job Jason

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JW: Discusses bit mapped videos being relayed as video tracks

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Screen reader and other tools are being considered - as well as transferring info via A11y API across that channel

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JW: My suggested change isn't dependent

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SH: Q, on when standards change etc e.g. a la WCAG 2.2

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do we need to revisit our references?

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JS: There is no general rule - if we need to accomodate or update a la newer guideance we can - but that is more substantial

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There are processes

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SH: In some place there may be editorial tweaks needed etc - that answers that.

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JS: Could be 22, or 23

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JS: Maybe later this year

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<Discussion on charters>

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JW: There could be new guidance needed

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JS: Referencing SAUR etc

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JW: Closing thoughts? I'll merge that change

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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JW: There is ongoing work

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JS: There has been dialog but still in same spot

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JW: When will we revisit?

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JS: Next week good

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Accessibility of collaboration tools. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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JW: Some small progress here

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I've been working on this - looking at potential requirements etc

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Added some text etc

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Relates to 4.1.3 - a la WCAG 2.1 - Status Messages

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I've attempted to document some of the issues and we invite contributions

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JS: That SC may need an update

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JW: The requirement is to notify the AT, the AT doesn't have to pass that on.

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JS: Ok

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JW: There are user agent issues here

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JS: This doc is related

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JW: Some issues are also cognitive

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The intersections are interesting

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JW: Comments?

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JS: Do you recall if UAAG even looked at this?

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JS: Don't know for sure but think any specific interface or Real Time is ommited.

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SH: I've some items to update on the wiki

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JW: We can bring this back next week

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and work on note

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zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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JW: Thanks to Josh for working more in this

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We have some comments from Kim Patch on the draft

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Some editorial and substantive

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Josh has added these substantive issues to Github

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https://github.com/w3c/naur/issues

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We have a thread discussing - lets keep on processing the comments

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We can discuss further next week

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agenda?

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scribe+ jasonjgw

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Josh: notes he has entered the issues into GitHub and invites review.

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zakim, next item

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agendum 6 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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JW: There is a CFC from APA regarding the reporting API

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captures events and error conditions- so web service operators can understand user agent issues

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That closes this week Janina?

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JS: Midnight tonight

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Jun/0002.html

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JS: Here is the SAUR CFC

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JW: Thank you Janina - you will announce in upcoming APA meeting

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SN: Sounds good

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RK: Regarding the publication, I've been busy but want to let you know I support the note

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JW: It has good material

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RK: One more thing, it has been interesting talking about user agents and the server - this does impact auditory and visual descriptions

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Predictive for more use cases - will pop up in side channel communication purposes

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RK: That should be communicated

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JW: If a client is suppressing noise, then the error reporting should be picked up by the A11y API

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JS: Yes, have a technical report generated that is clear of the error for multi modal support

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Interesting use cases - if they have good mainstream applicability

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JW: Thank you Raja. On point.

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Are you expecting APA to work on that, or refer it here.

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JS: May be here

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JS: Part of our conversation with Web Performance will be interesting

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To have that conversation is APA likely to look at these use cases - or do in the next month or so.

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JS: Appreciate that, this group should be discussing it.

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JW: I think we are agreed, Scott?

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SH: Yes

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JW: Lets put it on agenda next week

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SN: +1

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JW: Anything else we should be aware of?

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/01-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108

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zakim, bye

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/01-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw

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