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12:34:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:34:56 <trackbot> Date: 01 June 2022
12:34:59 <jasonjgw> present+
12:35:02 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:35:43 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
12:35:43 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote meetings.
12:35:43 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
12:35:43 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of collaboration tools.
12:35:43 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:35:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:35:59 <jasonjgw> zakim, agenda?
12:35:59 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
12:36:00 <Zakim> 1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:36:00 <Zakim> 2. Accessibility of remote meetings. [from jasonjgw]
12:36:00 <Zakim> 3. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
12:36:00 <Zakim> 4. Accessibility of collaboration tools. [from jasonjgw]
12:36:01 <Zakim> 5. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:36:01 <Zakim> 6. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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13:01:46 <SteveNoble> present+
13:02:59 <scott_h> present+
13:03:10 <Joshue108> Scribenick: Joshue108
13:03:25 <Joshue108> scribe+
13:03:50 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:03:57 <Joshue108> scribe+ Joshue108
13:04:15 <Joshue108> JW: Lets discuss these
13:04:35 <Joshue108> JS: I looked back for resolution but we didn't log it correctly
13:05:00 <Joshue108> It needs to be entered by the scribe
13:05:01 <janina> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/saur/CFC-2022June/index.html
13:06:07 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: RQTF requests APA call for consensus to publish SAUR as found at https://raw.githack.com/w3c/saur/CFC-2022June/index.html as a W3C Note
13:06:16 <Joshue108> JW: Any objections
13:06:30 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/01-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
13:06:56 <Joshue108> rrsagent, make log world
13:07:20 <Joshue108> JS: This will be out at some point today - CFC
13:07:38 <Joshue108> JW: Two other matters are - that Michael is still working on this
13:07:45 <Joshue108> JS: Yes, we can update in place
13:08:18 <Joshue108> JW: I've also circulated a draft note
13:08:32 <Joshue108> JS: May need to re-ping on that
13:08:42 <Joshue108> CFC open till midnight next Weds
13:08:52 <Joshue108> JW: We can work on announcements
13:09:08 <Joshue108> JS: We hope to publish on 14th of June
13:09:13 <Joshue108> agenda?
13:09:57 <Joshue108> JS: There is an issue around some lost messaging
13:10:09 <Joshue108> We need access to older version of messages.
13:10:28 <Joshue108> JW: We can work on announcement text
13:10:57 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:10:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of remote meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:11:34 <Joshue108> JW: There was one open issue on this
13:11:51 <Joshue108> Seeking clarification on applicability of WCAG to content presented during remote meeting
13:12:02 <Joshue108> There is an open PR on this
13:12:15 <Joshue108> Adds a clarification
13:12:35 <Joshue108> If content is shared via screen sharing it should still be accessible a la WCAG
13:13:02 <Joshue108> JW: There are also comments from Matt Atkinson - I've pinged him on this.
13:13:12 <Joshue108> We can integrate suggestions
13:13:30 <Joshue108> Do we want to merge now or wait for comments
13:13:43 <Joshue108> SH: +1 to merging change
13:13:56 <Joshue108> Good job Jason
13:14:44 <Joshue108> JW: Discusses bit mapped videos being relayed as video tracks
13:15:28 <Joshue108> Screen reader and other tools are being considered - as well as transferring info via A11y API across that channel
13:15:53 <Joshue108> JW: My suggested change isn't dependent
13:16:16 <Joshue108> SH: Q, on when standards change etc  e.g. a la WCAG 2.2
13:16:26 <Joshue108> do we need to revisit our references?
13:17:33 <Joshue108> JS: There is no general rule - if we need to accomodate or update a la newer guideance we can - but that is more substantial
13:17:40 <Joshue108> There are processes
13:18:07 <Joshue108> SH: In some place there may be editorial tweaks needed etc - that answers that.
13:18:25 <Joshue108> JS: Could be 22, or 23
13:18:34 <Joshue108> JS: Maybe later this year
13:18:56 <Joshue108> <Discussion on charters>
13:20:09 <Joshue108> JW: There could be new guidance needed
13:20:19 <Joshue108> JS: Referencing SAUR etc
13:20:56 <Joshue108> JW: Closing thoughts? I'll merge that change
13:21:23 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:21:23 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:21:42 <Joshue108> JW: There is ongoing work
13:22:08 <Joshue108> JS: There has been dialog but still in same spot
13:22:18 <Joshue108> JW: When will we revisit?
13:22:33 <Joshue108> JS: Next week good
13:22:45 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:22:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Accessibility of collaboration tools. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:09 <Joshue108> JW: Some small progress here
13:23:29 <Joshue108> I've been working on this - looking at potential requirements etc
13:23:38 <Joshue108> Added some text etc
13:24:22 <Joshue108> Relates to 4.1.3 - a la WCAG 2.1 - Status Messages
13:24:47 <Joshue108> I've attempted to document some of the issues and we invite contributions
13:24:59 <Joshue108> JS: That SC may need an update
13:25:31 <Joshue108> JW: The requirement is to notify the AT, the AT doesn't have to pass that on.
13:25:37 <Joshue108> JS: Ok
13:25:54 <Joshue108> JW: There are user agent issues here
13:26:04 <Joshue108> JS: This doc is related
13:26:48 <Joshue108> JW: Some issues are also cognitive
13:26:59 <Joshue108> The intersections are interesting
13:27:18 <Joshue108> JW: Comments?
13:27:32 <Joshue108> JS: Do you recall if UAAG even looked at this?
13:28:03 <Joshue108> JS: Don't know for sure but think any specific interface or Real Time is ommited.
13:28:17 <Joshue108> SH: I've some items to update on the wiki
13:28:57 <Joshue108> JW: We can bring this back next week
13:29:04 <Joshue108> and work on note
13:29:08 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:29:08 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:29:35 <Joshue108> JW: Thanks to Josh for working more in this
13:29:45 <Joshue108> We have some comments from Kim Patch on the draft
13:29:54 <Joshue108> Some editorial and substantive
13:30:10 <Joshue108> Josh has added these substantive issues to Github
13:30:11 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/naur/issues
13:30:34 <Joshue108> We have a thread discussing - lets keep on processing the comments
13:30:54 <Joshue108> We can discuss further next week
13:31:03 <Joshue108> agenda?
13:31:44 <jasonjgw> scribe+ jasonjgw
13:31:54 <jasonjgw> Josh: notes he has entered the issues into GitHub and invites review.
13:32:35 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:32:35 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:33:11 <Joshue108> JW: There is a CFC from APA regarding the reporting API
13:33:50 <Joshue108> captures events and error conditions- so web service operators can understand user agent issues
13:34:10 <Joshue108> That closes this week Janina?
13:34:19 <Joshue108> JS: Midnight tonight
13:34:31 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Jun/0002.html
13:34:48 <Joshue108> JS: Here is the SAUR CFC
13:35:10 <Joshue108> JW: Thank you Janina - you will announce in upcoming APA meeting
13:35:19 <Joshue108> SN: Sounds good
13:36:02 <Joshue108> RK: Regarding the publication, I've been busy but want to let you know I support the note
13:36:21 <Joshue108> JW: It has good material
13:36:57 <Joshue108> RK: One more thing, it has been interesting talking about user agents and the server - this does impact auditory and visual descriptions
13:37:28 <Joshue108> Predictive for more use cases - will pop up in side channel communication purposes
13:37:38 <Joshue108> RK: That should be communicated
13:38:09 <Joshue108> JW: If a client is suppressing noise, then the error reporting should be picked up by the A11y API
13:38:32 <Joshue108> JS: Yes, have a technical report generated that is clear of the error for multi modal support
13:38:49 <Joshue108> Interesting use cases - if they have good mainstream applicability
13:38:58 <Joshue108> JW: Thank you Raja. On point.
13:39:13 <Joshue108> Are you expecting APA to work on that, or refer it here.
13:39:27 <Joshue108> JS: May be here
13:40:19 <Joshue108> JS: Part of our conversation with Web Performance will be interesting
13:41:00 <Joshue108> To have that conversation is APA likely to look at these use cases  - or do in the next month or so.
13:41:15 <Joshue108> JS: Appreciate that, this group should be discussing it.
13:42:15 <Joshue108> JW: I think we are agreed, Scott?
13:42:17 <Joshue108> SH: Yes
13:42:47 <Joshue108> JW: Lets put it on agenda next week
13:42:53 <Joshue108> SN: +1
13:44:04 <Joshue108> JW: Anything else we should be aware of?
13:44:17 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/01-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
13:45:30 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
13:45:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, SteveNoble, scott_h
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