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15:54:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
15:54:03 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2022
15:54:14 <PaulG> zakim, agenda?
15:54:14 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:54:15 <Zakim> 5. Other Business [from iali]
15:54:18 <PaulG> zakim, clear agenda
15:54:18 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:54:23 <PaulG> Agenda+ Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements
15:54:25 <PaulG> Agenda+ Action Items
15:54:27 <PaulG> Agenda+ Github Issues and examples
15:54:39 <PaulG> Agenda+ Other Business
15:56:26 <PaulG> present+
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16:02:23 <mhakkinen> i am in another meeting but will join via zoom as soon as I can break away.
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16:04:39 <janina> brb
16:06:00 <PaulG> chair: PaulG
16:06:44 <PaulG> zakim, next item
16:06:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:06:45 <janina> present+
16:07:02 <PaulG> https://gist.github.com/AutoSponge/f68870d00b73eaccecb451eef4c3da1d
16:07:42 <PaulG> https://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-braillelabel
16:10:43 <mhakkinen> present+
16:11:22 <PaulG> (discussion of how Braille, label, and our spoken HTML work might continue to collide)
16:12:08 <PaulG> question: does Braille and language interact in ways we haven't considered?
16:12:25 <PaulG> janina: it's at least worth talking about in the DPUB area
16:13:29 <PaulG> janina: there's work that I haven't followed closely enough for Braille and music notation. it could be really helpful for music education
16:14:32 <PaulG> zakim, next item
16:14:32 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:15:26 <PaulG> janina: try to conclude meetings with 5-10 minutes left for whatever
16:15:45 <PaulG> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/pronunciation/track/actions/open
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16:16:35 <PaulG> janina: hoping to have a draft of the i18n action for next week
16:16:53 <PaulG> zakim, next item
16:16:53 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issues and examples -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:17:13 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/113
16:23:31 <PaulG> we might need to bring this up (embedded languages, creoles, etc.) with the linguists (i18n) so we can address these cases
16:24:07 <PaulG> the TTS engines may not have enough voice packs to cover these cases so filling in with IPA pronunciation could be an option
16:26:30 <PaulG> NeilS: loan words (like French words) or even UK English (e.g., aluminum) show a generic issue pattern that needs to be addressed
16:28:01 <Sarah_Wood> I just found this link to a Hawaiian language center: https://manoa.hawaii.edu/catalog/schools-colleges/hawaiian/kawaihuelani/
16:28:01 <PaulG> in general, native, oppressed, and disappearing languages/cultures should be considered in our annotation of language
16:29:50 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/112
16:32:29 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/111
16:33:30 <PaulG> zakim, next item
16:33:30 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Other Business -- taken up [from PaulG]
16:34:02 <PaulG> janina: question for Mark: I saw something about Cambridge assessments, should we try to recruit them?
16:34:37 <PaulG> janina: they mentioned having to record things because TTS would not pronounce it correctly
16:35:09 <PaulG> mhakkinen: I'll look into them
16:35:44 <NeilS> They have computer based exams: https://www.cambridgeenglish.org/exams-and-tests/what-to-expect-on-exam-day/computer-based/
16:36:52 <PaulG> mhakkinen: it may be helpful to also talk to Duolingo
16:38:08 <PaulG> https://icchp-aaate.org/
16:38:15 <PaulG> mhakkinen: I won't be able to go
16:38:39 <PaulG> the main conference is 3 days
16:39:29 <PaulG> NeilS: there's another conf called TPAC in the same city at the same time
16:39:51 <PaulG> talk about namespace collisions
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16:41:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/25-pronunciation-minutes.html PaulG