IRC log of maturity on 2022-05-25

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_

14:07:20 [Fazio_]

meeting: Maturity Model

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Chair: Fazio, Sheri BH

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Agenda+ Check in with Janina on any pending issues

14:10:42 [Fazio_]

zakim, clear agenda

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agenda cleared

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Agenda+ Check in with Janina on any pending issues

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Agenda+ discuss final working draft looming questions

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present+

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regrets for second half of meeting

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regrets from Raph

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regrets+ jeanne

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present+

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present+

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present

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scribe:scribe: Sheri BH

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Check in with Janina on any pending issues -- taken up [from Fazio_]

15:08:13 [Sheri_B-H]

scribe+

15:08:31 [Fazio_]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- discuss final working draft looming questions -- taken up [from Fazio_]

15:08:42 [Fazio_]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lc4BwK7IKlcQVL9HalrtvrdwZzeVRyn35CbmftiX3Qw/edit

15:08:47 [Sheri_B-H]

Meetings need to end at 50-55 minutes to give people a break (this is from the parent org)

15:10:01 [Fazio_]

A list of current W3C publications and the latest revision of this technical report can be found in the W3C technical reports index at http://www.w3.org/TR/.

15:10:37 [Fazio_]

Introduction: Internal and external pe Personnel at all levels of an organization must have W3C ICT …”

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present+

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Mary Jo comment: how do we get our document on this list? A list of current W3C publications and the latest revision of this technical report can be found in the W3C technical reports index at http://www.w3.org/TR/

15:14:46 [Fazio_]

All references to WCAG 2.0 and 2.1 are to the final Recommendations of these web standards. Comments on this document will not affect other WCAG publications.

15:14:50 [Sheri_B-H]

resolved - will happen automatically once put into github and published

15:16:27 [Sheri_B-H]

Delete old comment re WCAG 2.0 and 2.1 since we made the decision to make the document independent of WCAG

15:19:39 [Sheri_B-H]

agreed to remove reference to Figure 1

15:21:47 [Sheri_B-H]

agreed to change Accessible Communications to link to Oxford source Raph provided

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agreed to add name of dimension to make headings unique

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AI to MaryJo to complete that

15:23:35 [Sheri_B-H]

discussion of Direct Communications vs External communications

15:23:50 [janina]

+1 for direct

15:25:37 [janina]

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15:26:08 [janina]

maryjom: Wondering about whether external/internal might become different items?

15:26:24 [janina]

Fazio_: Might be problematic if that were so

15:27:12 [janina]

Fazio_: Also concerned about third parties content can't be on the host

15:27:40 [janina]

janina: example is youtube -- someone posting a video without video description isn't a youtube responsibility

15:28:10 [janina]

jeff:we just need to be clear; noting formal/informal, external/internal, just need to be consistent in the proof points so we don't miss anything

15:29:00 [janina]

Fazio_: : question about "extranet;" do we need to differentiate network types?

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jlkline: wondering about saying something third party hosted?

15:31:32 [janina]

jlkline: it's a big deal -- accessibility of external and internal websites including hosted third party

15:34:17 [janina]

jlkline: suggest third party contracted content should conform

15:35:15 [janina]

Fazio_: some debate of whether we can impose this kind of req

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maryjom: may also not be a third party that is able on a11y and able on the contracted content

15:36:27 [janina]

jlkline: proposes a doc edit ...

15:38:11 [janina]

janina: provides 508 example of commercially viable

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jlkline: think we leave it and see what comments come

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+1 to jlkline

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jlkline: suggests making it another bullet to be sure to call attention for comment purposes in fpwd

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Fazio_: next ...

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Fazio_: from maryjom under knowledge and skills ...

15:40:55 [janina]

Fazio_: suggest just eliminating the examples because it's self-explanatory

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[group agrees]

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Fazio_: reads next comment ----

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maryjom: same area with another comment

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[change accepted .. next comment]

15:43:39 [janina]

jlkline: putting cross references is our pattern; so we will need to put pointers into their proof points

15:44:00 [janina]

jlkline: we all need to do that in our sections for the style approach

15:45:01 [janina]

Fazio_: OK with publishing and coming back to this ...

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jlkline: happy to take it on now

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jlkline: a generic statement?

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[discussion]

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Fazio_: asks jlkline to propose something

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jlkline: ok

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maryjom: notes appearance issue to fix before port to github

15:47:32 [janina]

jlkline: thinking about knowledge and skills particulars in terms of ordering; may want to move things around some in different areas

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Fazio_: asks of reorg is done?

15:48:44 [janina]

jlkline: are my proposed changes ...

15:49:01 [janina]

jlkline: highlights ...

15:49:08 [janina]

maryjom: should be something on maintaining

15:49:28 [janina]

maryjom: keeping things current is the hard part!

15:49:42 [janina]

maryjom: making sure there's continuing education; change over time, etc

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[agreement on approach with above observations included]

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maryjom: so, should i start on github?

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Fazio_: yes

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jake: a task for me?

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Fazio_: no

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[decision to wait on github]

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topic: APA CfC on Reporting Announcement

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022May/0010.html

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15:57:26 [Fazio_]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Fazio_, nadine_, janina, Sheri_B-H, JakeAbma, maryjom

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