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14:04:15 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_
14:07:20 <Fazio_> meeting: Maturity Model
14:07:38 <Fazio_> Chair: Fazio, Sheri BH
14:10:20 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Check in with Janina on any pending issues
14:10:42 <Fazio_> zakim, clear agenda
14:10:42 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:10:50 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Check in with Janina on any pending issues
14:11:45 <Fazio_> Agenda+ discuss final working draft looming questions
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14:59:25 <Sheri_B-H> regrets for second half of meeting
14:59:29 <Sheri_B-H> regrets from Raph
14:59:44 <jeanne> regrets+ jeanne
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15:07:07 <Fazio_> scribe:scribe: Sheri BH
15:07:16 <Fazio_> zakim, next item
15:07:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Check in with Janina on any pending issues -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:08:13 <Sheri_B-H> scribe+
15:08:31 <Fazio_> zakim, next item
15:08:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- discuss final working draft looming questions -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:08:42 <Fazio_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lc4BwK7IKlcQVL9HalrtvrdwZzeVRyn35CbmftiX3Qw/edit
15:08:47 <Sheri_B-H> Meetings need to end at 50-55 minutes to give people a break (this is from the parent org)
15:10:01 <Fazio_> A list of current W3C publications and the latest revision of this technical report can be found in the W3C technical reports index at http://www.w3.org/TR/.
15:10:37 <Fazio_> Introduction: Internal and external pe Personnel at all levels of an organization must have W3C ICT …”
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15:12:11 <Sheri_B-H> Mary Jo comment: how do we get our document on this list?  A list of current W3C publications and the latest revision of this technical report can be found in the W3C technical reports index at http://www.w3.org/TR/
15:14:46 <Fazio_> All references to WCAG 2.0 and 2.1 are to the final Recommendations of these web standards. Comments on this document will not affect other WCAG publications.
15:14:50 <Sheri_B-H> resolved - will happen automatically once put into github and published
15:16:27 <Sheri_B-H> Delete old comment re WCAG 2.0 and 2.1 since we made the decision to make the document independent of WCAG
15:19:39 <Sheri_B-H> agreed to remove reference to Figure 1
15:21:47 <Sheri_B-H> agreed to change Accessible Communications to link to Oxford source Raph provided
15:22:44 <Sheri_B-H> agreed to add name of dimension to make headings unique
15:22:50 <Sheri_B-H> AI to MaryJo to complete that
15:23:35 <Sheri_B-H> discussion of Direct Communications vs External communications
15:23:50 <janina> +1 for direct
15:25:37 <janina> scribe+ janina
15:26:08 <janina> maryjom: Wondering about whether external/internal might become different items?
15:26:24 <janina> Fazio_: Might be problematic if that were so
15:27:12 <janina> Fazio_: Also concerned about third parties content can't be on the host
15:27:40 <janina> janina: example is youtube -- someone posting a video without video description isn't a youtube responsibility
15:28:10 <janina> jeff:we just need to be clear; noting formal/informal, external/internal, just need to be consistent in the proof points so we don't miss anything
15:29:00 <janina> Fazio_: : question about "extranet;" do we need to differentiate network types?
15:29:22 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:29:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/25-maturity-minutes.html janina
15:31:05 <janina> jlkline: wondering about saying something third party hosted?
15:31:32 <janina> jlkline: it's a big deal -- accessibility of external and internal websites including hosted third party
15:34:17 <janina> jlkline: suggest third party contracted content should conform
15:35:15 <janina> Fazio_: some debate of whether we can impose this kind of req
15:35:54 <janina> maryjom: may also not be a third party that is able on a11y and able on the contracted content
15:36:27 <janina> jlkline: proposes a doc edit ...
15:38:11 <janina> janina: provides 508 example of commercially viable
15:38:21 <janina> jlkline: think we leave it and see what comments come
15:38:26 <janina> +1 to jlkline
15:39:46 <janina> jlkline: suggests making it another bullet to be sure to call attention for comment purposes in fpwd
15:39:57 <janina> Fazio_: next ...
15:40:16 <janina> Fazio_: from maryjom under knowledge and skills ...
15:40:55 <janina> Fazio_: suggest just eliminating the examples because it's self-explanatory
15:41:02 <janina> [group agrees]
15:41:29 <janina> Fazio_: reads next comment ----
15:41:42 <janina> maryjom: same area with another comment
15:43:05 <janina> [change accepted .. next comment]
15:43:39 <janina> jlkline: putting cross references is our pattern; so we will need to put pointers into their proof points
15:44:00 <janina> jlkline: we all need to do that in our sections for the style approach
15:45:01 <janina> Fazio_: OK with publishing and coming back to this ...
15:45:10 <janina> jlkline: happy to take it on now
15:45:27 <janina> jlkline: a generic statement?
15:45:39 <janina> [discussion]
15:46:08 <janina> Fazio_: asks jlkline to propose something
15:46:12 <janina> jlkline: ok
15:46:33 <janina> maryjom: notes appearance issue to fix before port to github
15:47:32 <janina> jlkline: thinking about knowledge and skills particulars in terms of ordering; may want to move things around some in different areas
15:47:46 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/25-maturity-minutes.html janina
15:48:37 <janina> Fazio_: asks of reorg is done?
15:48:44 <janina> jlkline: are my proposed changes ...
15:49:01 <janina> jlkline: highlights ...
15:49:08 <janina> maryjom: should be something on maintaining
15:49:28 <janina> maryjom: keeping things current is the hard part!
15:49:42 <janina> maryjom: making sure there's continuing education; change over time, etc
15:50:46 <janina> [agreement on approach with above observations included]
15:50:57 <janina> maryjom: so, should i start on github?
15:50:59 <janina> Fazio_: yes
15:51:44 <janina> jake: a task for me?
15:51:46 <janina> Fazio_: no
15:53:02 <janina> [decision to wait on github]
15:53:36 <janina> topic: APA CfC on Reporting Announcement
15:54:08 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022May/0010.html
15:57:00 <Fazio_> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:57:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/25-maturity-minutes.html janina
15:57:26 <Fazio_> zakim, bye
15:57:26 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Fazio_, nadine_, janina, Sheri_B-H, JakeAbma, maryjom
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15:57:36 <Fazio_> rrsagent make minutes
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