13:07:43 RRSAgent has joined #silver-reliability 13:07:43 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/05/24-silver-reliability-irc 13:07:45 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:07:46 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Wilco 13:07:59 Francis_Storr has joined #silver-reliability 13:08:01 TOPIC: AGWG review comments 13:09:18 Survey results -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/pronounciation_wcag3/results 13:09:36 Comments in documeent -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c96lQsQq1jgdDKo4C9GaWEj7cVoxDdCvtLPvqCOBBE/edit 13:10:00 s/Comments in documeent -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c96lQsQq1jgdDKo4C9GaWEj7cVoxDdCvtLPvqCOBBE/edit/Comments in documeent -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c96lQsQq1jgdDKo4C9GaWEj7cVoxDdCvtLPvqCOBBE/ 13:14:43 Wilco: I don't think there will be other outcomes related to pronunciation. 13:15:00 Jeanne: There could be a protocol though 13:15:13 JF email comments -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022May/0025.html 13:15:30 Wilco: Are there any alternatives to the phrase "pronunciation"? Otherwise we can put this question in a note 13:16:06 JF suggested alternate names -> Based on my watching this activity from a distance, is not the current goal more around ensuring proper language packs [sic] are loaded for TTS engines? Might that not then be considered "Language Accuracy" (TTS Accuracy?) as opposed to "Pronunciation"? (Just trying to avoid a term-of-art collision/confusion down the road). 13:16:18 rrsagent, make minutes 13:16:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/24-silver-reliability-minutes.html jeanne 13:16:51 Francis: It's exploratory. I can see his point about braille displays. We mention that. 13:17:10 Wilco: Should we remove that? This is explicitly not about braille displays. 13:20:55 Wilco: I'll add a note about the term pronunciation, asking for feedback. 13:21:00 Pronunciation Gap Analysis and Use Cases -> https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis-and-use-cases/ 13:24:22 Jeanne: I think a lot of people have misunderstood what we're trying to do. How do we communicate this to the whole world? 13:33:29 Jeanne: I like Mike Gower's suggested change from "pronounce" to "identify" 13:35:20 Wilco: But that isn't the point. The outcome needed is to have it pronounced in the correct language. 13:36:03 Francis: Can we even express it in regard to assistive technologies? 13:36:28 Wilco: We don't want to be prescriptive of who does what. It is more important to have the end result. 13:36:49 ... as long as assistive technologies pronounce the text in a way that is understandable. 13:37:03 ... the exceptions don't make sense if we take out the word " 13:37:14 scribe+ jeanne 13:37:25 s/... the exceptions don't make sense if we take out the word "/... the exceptions don't make sense if we take out the word "pronounce" 13:37:47 Jeanne: +1 to Wilco's points 13:49:59 Jeanne: We need to re-design the Outcome. We discussed adding tabs to the Outcome with the Definitions, functional needs, and other stuff. 13:51:25 Wilco: We want the definitions to be normative, so they need to be with the Outcome 13:54:24 Jeanne: The disadvantage of normative definitions is that we need to resolve them with other definitions in other specs and we may want to use the term more narrowly. 13:54:41 Wilco: It's a good idea to resolve the definitions with other specs. 13:55:58 Jeanne: I think we should move Bruce's comments to the How-To. With the database behind WCAG3, we will be able to deliver that material to WCAG3 users together with the Outcome. 13:58:35 Wilco: Lets do more work on the how-to for next week, and we have more feedback to get through. 14:35:18 rrsagent, make minutes 14:35:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/24-silver-reliability-minutes.html jeanne 14:45:05 s//docs.google.com/document/d/1-c96lQsQq1jgdDKo4C9GaWEj7cVoxDdCvtLPvqCOBBE/edit/Comments in documeent// 14:45:26 rrsagent, make minutes 14:45:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/24-silver-reliability-minutes.html jeanne 15:13:05 Francis_Storr has joined #silver-reliability 15:34:41 Zakim has left #silver-reliability