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14:04:24 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Kunihiko_Toumura
14:04:27 <kaz> chair: McCool
14:05:02 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#23_May_2022
14:06:29 <cris_> topic: minutes review
14:06:40 <kaz> scribenick: cris_
14:06:54 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/05/16-wot-discovery-minutes.html May-16
14:06:59 <cris_> mc: notice that the explainer was not ready for review
14:07:50 <cris_> ... minor typo it should be objections
14:07:54 <cris_> ... anything else?
14:08:11 <cris_> ... ok minutes approved
14:08:15 <cris_> topic: explainer
14:08:30 <cris_> mc: I have still to check new feedback
14:08:35 <cris_> ... there was one comment
14:08:47 <cris_> ... about HTTP only that we'll resolve in a different discussion
14:09:12 <cris_> ... given the current reviews we only have this issue with HTTP
14:09:32 <cris_> ... we have a PR that might solve this
14:09:40 <cris_> ... but let's discuss it later
14:10:12 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:10:14 <cris_> farshid: I have still to complete the review of the explainer
14:10:38 <cris_> cris: me too
14:10:48 <cris_> mc: ok we'll wait for the next week
14:10:52 <cris_> topic: PRs
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14:11:46 <cris_> mc: PR 318 and 317 are realated and should be easy to fix
14:11:48 <kaz> i|I have still|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/309 PR 309 - Draft Explainer|
14:11:50 <cris_> s/fix/merge/
14:12:04 <cris_> subtopic: PR 318
14:12:24 <cris_> mc: there was a duplicate assertion
14:12:44 <kaz> i|there was|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/318 PR 318 - UTF-8 Constraints and Language Negotiation|
14:13:04 <cris_> ... I did changes on 3-cr index.html but I moved them back to main index.html
14:13:35 <cris_> farshid: did you fix the duplicate assertion issue?
14:13:50 <cris_> mc: let's see the preview
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14:15:14 <cris_> ... things like queries (e.g. sparql queries) might be supported
14:15:45 <cris_> ... therefore I don't want to touch the accept content type assertion
14:16:28 <cris_> farshid: ok
14:17:24 <cris_> mc: should directory support content-language? I don't think so, TD is already multilang
14:18:06 <cris_> cris: I agree
14:18:44 <cris_> farshid: there was a little bit of confusion at first
14:19:22 <cris_> ... but also what about searches?
14:19:30 <cris_> mc: it is best effort
14:21:43 <cris_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/315
14:23:40 <cris_> cris: have you check 315?
14:24:05 <cris_> ... I would like to charset parameter add to content-type
14:25:11 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:25:15 <cris_> mc: right, suggesting to add it to thing model and text
14:25:27 <kaz> s|/315|/315 Issue 315 - Return charset parameter in content-type|
14:26:10 <cris_> farshid: it is related to another issue from Ben
14:26:28 <cris_> ... he wants to have a less strict constraint about content-type
14:28:03 <cris_> mc: let's deal with it separately
14:28:15 <cris_> farshid: I can volunteer
14:31:27 <kaz> rrsagent, make log publici
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14:31:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:32:48 <cris_> mc: ok any objections with PR 318 ?
14:32:52 <cris_> ... ok merged
14:32:59 <cris_> subtopic: PR 317
14:33:05 <cris_> mc: I have to resolve some points
14:33:13 <cris_> subtopic: 313
14:33:23 <cris_> mc: long discussion
14:33:42 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
14:33:54 <cris_> ... I have still to look into all comments
14:34:06 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann, Andrea_Cimmino
14:34:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:34:10 <cris_> farshit: I just want to mention that is not a full solution for security bootstraping
14:34:29 <cris_> ... is not solving the problem
14:34:55 <kaz> i|I have to re|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/317 PR 317 - Internationalization Questionnaire updates|
14:35:06 <cris_> cris: is it something that we should ourselves ?
14:35:34 <kaz> i|long discussion|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/313 PR 313 - Security Bootstrapping|
14:35:40 <cris_> mc: I would like to use existing mechanisms, http has bootstraping features that people already use
14:36:00 <cris_> farshid: in practice is really useful
14:36:11 <cris_> mc: I will be using directory services from browser
14:36:55 <cris_> ... Ben prefers to allow retrival of html rendered document
14:37:04 <cris_> ... but it is a different topic
14:37:19 <cris_> ... I tried to summarize on the github discussion
14:38:13 <cris_> farshid: one comment: providing a TD is different from exposing it
14:38:20 <cris_> mc: ok, right
14:39:02 <cris_> farshid: federated directories TDs can be nested in the master directory
14:39:18 <cris_> ... I would not force to self-describing
14:39:24 <cris_> mc: it would not a big deal
14:39:44 <cris_> ... optional features might be problematic
14:40:01 <cris_> ... any objections to make directories no- self describing
14:42:54 <cris_> cris: maybe is a wording problem, is not about self describing but about always providing a TD for TDDs
14:43:54 <cris_> mc: maybe you are right, I agree that a TD can be hosted somewhere else
14:44:42 <cris_> ... ok if we commit with this, the figure needs to be updated
14:46:57 <cris_> ... we also need to clarify that any enpoints that return TD must suppor security bootstrapping
14:47:30 <cris_> farshid: just one thing before continuing
14:47:49 <cris_> ... I left a comment about oauth 2
14:47:58 <cris_> ... is not solving really the security bootstrapping
14:49:07 <cris_> mc: good point
14:49:26 <cris_> farshid: we can still defer to 1.1 version
14:51:58 <cris_> farshid: things id is problematic
14:53:39 <cris_> ... cause we can only support a subset of TD securityDefinitions in bootstrapping
14:53:41 <cris_> mc: right
14:53:52 <cris_> ... I'm capturing it on the comment
14:54:13 <cris_> cris: I also agree with 2 but I would like to see a better explanation about the fact that no sec can be used
14:55:58 <cris_> mc: do we have a consensu for 2 ?
14:56:40 <cris_> s/consensu/consensus/
14:56:46 <cris_> ... ok
14:57:06 <cris_> mc: do we agree to leverage on existing mechanisms ?
14:57:23 <cris_> s/on/on HTTP/
14:57:37 <cris_> farshid: if they are good enough yes.
14:58:07 <cris_> mc: also can we limit discovery to HTTP ?
14:58:26 <cris_> farshid: I don't think we can,
14:58:38 <cris_> ... I don't think it is sufficient
14:59:22 <cris_> ... maybe use cases definition is helpful
14:59:54 <cris_> mc: UI is one of those
15:00:43 <cris_> ... public service
15:02:15 <cris_> ... do we want to add complexity to our spec
15:02:17 <kaz> present+ Ben_Francis
15:02:28 <cris_> ... what's your take on this Ben?
15:02:53 <cris_> ben: I agree if you already have the credential the whole process is not needed
15:03:17 <cris_> ... however for UI it makes sense cause you can ask the user to input credentials
15:03:30 <cris_> ... we have a concrete use case
15:04:44 <cris_> ... "all things are public" scenario is a no go
15:05:22 <cris_> mc: ok I'll do my best to capture all points, but I also consider dropping it if I am not satisfied
15:05:42 <cris_> ben: are we sure that www-authenticate is not enough ?
15:06:02 <cris_> farshid: on browsers it works because there's a man in the loop
15:06:17 <cris_> ... there are some use cases were it does not work
15:06:38 <cris_> ben: I agree in that situation
15:06:47 <cris_> ... but is already out of scope
15:07:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:09:03 <cris_> mc: we need to do a WD
15:09:06 <cris_> ... and than updated
15:09:14 <cris_> s/than/then/
15:09:30 <cris_> ... let's do what we can
15:09:39 <cris_> ... but next week I want to publish a WD
15:10:22 <kaz> [adjourned]
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