IRC log of rdf-star on 2022-05-20

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RRSAgent, make logs Public
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Pierre-Antoine
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meeting: RDF-star
15:04:04 [ora]
15:04:06 [doerthe]
15:04:07 [Pierre-Antoine]
Chair: pchampin
15:04:13 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:04:13 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Announcements and newcomers
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agenda+ Open actions
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agenda+ WG chartering
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agenda+ Schedule next call
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agenda+ Open-ended discussions
15:04:22 [AndyS]
15:04:23 [Pierre-Antoine]
Previous meeting:
15:04:27 [Dominik_T]
15:06:31 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:06:58 [Pierre-Antoine]
scribe: gkellogg
15:07:07 [Pierre-Antoine]
zakim, open next item
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agendum 1 -- Announcements and newcomers -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:21 [olaf]
15:07:33 [Pierre-Antoine]
ack o
15:08:28 [gkellogg]
olaf: We have a paper accepted in the Grades? Workshop, about mapping graph databases to RDF-star, running querying and seeing the performance impact.
15:08:57 [olaf]
15:09:23 [olaf]
"Converting Property Graphs to RDF: A Preliminary Study of the Practical Impact of Different Mappings"
15:09:24 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:09:37 [Pierre-Antoine]
zakim, open next item
15:09:37 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- Open actions -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:09:43 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:09:43 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:10:32 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:11:25 [gkellogg]
pchampin: I haven't spoken to danbri since the last call about w3c/rdf-star#247, but nothing more to report.
15:11:25 [ghurlbot]
-> Action 247 ping DanBri about publishing the final report on the CG page (on pchampin)
15:13:42 [gkellogg]
pchampin: On w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter#29, I've been waiting for ora's validation on the PR.
15:13:43 [ghurlbot]
-> Action 29 Add Ora Lassila as one of the expected chair (on pchampin) As decided during today's call:
15:14:04 [gkellogg]
ora: Sorry, I missed that. But to be clear, it's okay for me to be a chair, if that's what the group desires.
15:14:24 [Pierre-Antoine]
zakim, open next item
15:14:24 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- WG chartering -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:14:57 [gkellogg]
pchampin: I've sent the charter to W3CM for approval, which is currently in progress.
15:15:23 [gkellogg]
... The current draft doesn't mention chairs, but I've communicated offline.
15:16:19 [gkellogg]
... We've also contacted some other potential chairs, and have some positive answers from Vladimir at Ontotext, and will meet him next week at a Dataspace interoperability workshop.
15:16:45 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:17:42 [gkellogg]
olaf: I also reached out to xxx, who is somewhat skeptical about his suitability. But, he'd like to talk about it some more.
15:18:06 [olaf]
s/xxx/Adrian Gschwend
15:18:17 [gkellogg]
pchampin: Yes, Ora should be there too.
15:18:19 [olaf]
Adrian Gschwend from Zazuko
15:18:55 [Pierre-Antoine]
action olaf to organize a call with Adrian Gschwend
15:19:06 [Dominik_T]
15:19:15 [Pierre-Antoine]
ack D
15:19:35 [gkellogg]
Dominik_T: Any news about Josh? He was also discussed.
15:20:03 [gkellogg]
pchampin: We had some exchange after the last call, but LinkedIn is not a W3C member, which makes it more difficult.
15:20:29 [gkellogg]
... They either need to be part of a member organization, or an Invited Expert.
15:21:25 [gkellogg]
... In the case of Josh, LinkedIn is not a member, and inviting him as an IE is difficult, as he hasn't participated in the group to date.
15:21:51 [AndyS]
15:21:57 [gkellogg]
... That said, Zazuko is not a member or either. But, it's a startup, and that might make it easier.
15:22:05 [Pierre-Antoine]
ack A
15:22:45 [gkellogg]
AndyS: In the past, it was easier to get an IE added, but it's become more difficult.
15:23:47 [gkellogg]
... In the past, it's been hard to be an IE if you work for a company that would be expected to join as a member otherwise.
15:24:19 [gkellogg]
pchampin: That might be an issue for Adrian.
15:24:51 [gkellogg]
gkellogg: Rates for small companies used to be more afordable.
15:25:27 [gkellogg]
pchampin: I'll talk with the communication team about criteria.
15:26:06 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:26:24 [gkellogg]
pchampin: We have a number of expressions of support, and no contrary expressions to date.
15:26:25 [ora]
15:26:40 [gkellogg]
... Some from organizations, some from individuals.
15:26:45 [Pierre-Antoine]
ack ora
15:26:48 [AndyS]
15:27:23 [gkellogg]
ora: Two weeks ago at the KG conference, I ran into someone from Oracle, and they could join.
15:27:36 [gkellogg]
AndyS: He has his head in the space.
15:28:05 [gkellogg]
ora: He's interested in the whole PG vs RDF space, and had an interesting presentation on neighborhood aware path queries.
15:28:24 [ora]
Souriprya Das from Oracle
15:28:44 [gkellogg]
s/someone/Souriprya Das/
15:29:14 [ora]
15:29:33 [gkellogg]
pchampin: I think we could do with three chairs, but if we have more than two, one should be identified as "head" chair, or the others as co-chairs.
15:29:47 [gkellogg]
... With too many chairs, the responsibilities dilute.
15:30:10 [gkellogg]
... The amount of work justifies more than two chairs.
15:30:30 [gkellogg]
AndyS: I think it's a good idea.
15:31:27 [gkellogg]
ora: I'm not sure I like the idea of three chairs. It should be possible for things to get done in a WG without a chair having direct responsibility.
15:31:42 [gkellogg]
... But, I do like the idea of not being the _only_ chair.
15:32:57 [gkellogg]
pchampin: Most WGs lately have two (or even three) chairs. If we go for three, I think if we go for three, there should be some kind of hierarchy, but your opinion weighs more.
15:33:33 [gkellogg]
ora: If we do end up with three chairs, I think it would be good if they're not all Bay Area graph vendors.
15:34:13 [gkellogg]
pchampin: Having chairs from the industry strengthen's the proposal from the W3M perspective, but other communities should also be represented.
15:34:38 [gkellogg]
... Chairing the group, it sends a strong signal if a GDB vendor is involved.
15:35:19 [gkellogg]
ora: I think two chairs from vendors is fine. If three DB vendors are involved, then it might seem that the group is dominated by industry.
15:36:00 [gkellogg]
pchampin: If we ask Souriprya to chair, we might need to choose between him and Vladimir.
15:36:47 [gkellogg]
ora: Maybe we just lobby Souriprya to make sure Oracle joins the WG.
15:38:07 [Pierre-Antoine]
action: Pierre-Antoine to come back to Vladimir
15:38:08 [ghurlbot]
Created -> action 42 come back to Vladimir (on ) due 27 May 2022
15:39:44 [gkellogg]
pchampin: Thank you ghurlbot!
15:40:06 [Pierre-Antoine]
action: olaf to organize a call with Adrian Gschwend
15:40:07 [ghurlbot]
Created -> action 43 organize a call with Adrian Gschwend (on ) due 27 May 2022
15:40:58 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:41:12 [gkellogg]
pchampin: If you can encourage more people to express support on the repo, please do so. That will all help W3M to decide.
15:41:22 [Pierre-Antoine]
zakim, open new item
15:41:22 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'open new item', Pierre-Antoine
15:41:40 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:41:48 [ora]
15:42:02 [Pierre-Antoine]
zakim, open next item
15:42:02 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- Schedule next call -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:43:08 [gkellogg]
pchampin: I hope to have some W3M answers next week.
15:44:21 [gkellogg]
... I'm not sure if we need a call before the call for votes goes out. Maybe have a regular call in 2-3 weeks.
15:44:59 [gkellogg]
... A call in three weeks (June 10) may be in the middle of the call for votes.
15:45:15 [Pierre-Antoine]
PROPOSED: have our next call in 3 weeks, 2022-06-10
15:45:17 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:45:18 [olaf]
15:45:21 [gkellogg]
15:45:21 [Dominik_T]
15:45:44 [AndyS]
15:45:46 [doerthe]
15:46:07 [ora]
15:46:16 [Pierre-Antoine]
APPROVED: have our next call in 3 weeks, 2022-06-10
15:46:19 [ora]
(had to check the calendar)
15:46:33 [Pierre-Antoine]
zakim, open next item
15:46:33 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- Open-ended discussions -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:46:44 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:47:21 [Pierre-Antoine]
15:47:26 [Pierre-Antoine]
ack p
15:48:32 [gkellogg]
pchampin: TPAC is coming in September, which will be a Hybrid meeting. 12-16 September. It would be nice to have a meeting during TPAC, if a WG is chartered.
15:48:39 [olaf]
W3C TPAC, Sep. 12-16, in Vancouver
15:49:03 [gkellogg]
... It is in Vancouver.
15:49:04 [gkellogg]
15:49:28 [gkellogg]
... It should be in a convenient time slot for other parts of the world.
15:49:51 [AndyS]
15:50:19 [gkellogg]
ora: I may be in Seatle around that time, so going to Vancouver would be easy enought.
15:50:47 [gkellogg]
olaf: Unfortunately, it overlaps with the European semantics conference.
15:50:56 [olaf]
The SEMANTiCS conference in Vienna is in the same week
15:51:47 [gkellogg]
pchampin: Are there other groups that might also meet at TPAC so we can organize a joint meeting?
15:52:39 [gkellogg]
AndyS: RDF Canonicalization and DCAT groups may be there.
15:52:58 [gkellogg]
gkellogg: JSON-LD will probably have at least a BOF at TPAC.
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