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13:30:16 <dauwhe_> Meeting: EPUB 3 Working Group Telecon
13:30:21 <dauwhe_> Chair: dauwhe
13:31:13 <dauwhe> dauwhe has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-epub-wg/2022May/0026.html
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14:03:24 <dlazin> q+
14:03:56 <dauwhe> ack dl
14:04:03 <BenSchroeter> Dave: big topic of the day is testing. Now that we are in CR we must show that our spec is implementable?
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14:05:31 <dauwhe> q?
14:05:33 <BenSchroeter> Dave: Internationalization had to re-review and re-approve, had to iterate with secutiry and privacy, but all got resolved
14:06:31 <dauwhe> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13wgptApSVbQbYzi2L5VXe3D_1QLzJOTGySUAtOxn4sA/edit#gid=0
14:06:38 <dlazin> https://tinyurl.com/epub-tests
14:07:08 <BenSchroeter> Dan: These links are long and short URLs for the tests
14:07:23 <BenSchroeter> We need people to write tests
14:07:46 <BenSchroeter> ... 63 missing tests
14:07:53 <BenSchroeter> ...some are untestabfle
14:08:22 <dauwhe> q?
14:08:38 <BenSchroeter> ...descriptions are in column D
14:08:50 <BenSchroeter> ...put your name in column E
14:09:05 <dlazin> https://w3c.github.io/epub-tests/
14:09:14 <BenSchroeter> ...just need to whittle down the number and get the easy tests out of the way
14:09:18 <dlazin> https://w3c.github.io/epub-tests/contributing
14:09:36 <BenSchroeter> ...this link is instructions for how to write a test
14:10:46 <dlazin> dlazin@google.com
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14:11:26 <BenSchroeter> ...we have a Slack channel or you can email me and I'll walk you through the process
14:11:29 <CharlesL1> present+
14:11:55 <dauwhe> q?
14:13:20 <BenSchroeter> ...complete the metadata too so an RS evaluator can understand the test
14:14:04 <zheng_xu_> q+
14:14:07 <BenSchroeter> ...and link the spec to the test
14:15:20 <BenSchroeter> ...make sure the EPUB validates
14:16:31 <BenSchroeter> ...when done, fork the repo for the spec tested. unique anchors are already populated
14:16:46 <dauwhe> ack zh
14:18:32 <BenSchroeter> Zheng Xu: There are two specs, EPUB and RS - do we need both or just RS? Do we need to test all Reading Systems?
14:18:55 <BenSchroeter> Dan: just create the test, don't worry about testing in the RS
14:21:59 <dauwhe> q?
14:22:05 <duga> q+
14:22:23 <dauwhe> ack duga
14:22:32 <BenSchroeter> ...if a test fails EPUBcheck (intentionally), there is metadata for that. or maybe we still need to add that.
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14:23:04 <BenSchroeter> Brady: one thing that worries me about writing test is that we need to be aware of copyright
14:23:35 <BenSchroeter> if you use fonts media, text, we need to make sure our licenses match W3C's licenses
14:24:19 <BenSchroeter> Dan: current core media tests have stuff you can repurpose
14:24:44 <dauwhe> q?
14:24:50 <BenSchroeter> ...didn't check in font license to test, so may need to reconsider
14:25:07 <BenSchroeter> we can swap out for licensed fonts later
14:26:12 <BenSchroeter> Brady: consider a AHEM for fonts
14:26:37 <dauwhe> https://github.com/Kozea/Ahem
14:28:08 <BenSchroeter> Brady: these instructions are great, thanks Dan
14:28:16 <dauwhe> q?
14:28:45 <BenSchroeter> Dan: take a quick look at existing tests before you make one
14:29:58 <zheng_xu_> q+
14:30:06 <dauwhe> ack zh
14:30:28 <BenSchroeter> Dave: Zheng, you had additional agenda items?
14:30:55 <BenSchroeter> Zheng: once I send pull request, do I close my issue?
14:30:59 <BenSchroeter> Dan: yes
14:33:09 <BenSchroeter> Zheng: pcg meeting second week of each month
14:33:33 <BenSchroeter> ...we could recruit testers
14:33:43 <tzviya> q+
14:34:11 <dauwhe> ack tz
14:34:50 <BenSchroeter> Tzviya: if we're trying to get the CG to help the WG, it might be easier to bring the WG to the CG
14:35:56 <dauwhe> q?
14:36:45 <AvneeshSingh> q+
14:37:09 <dauwhe> ack av
14:37:44 <dauwhe> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AStatus-Deferred
14:37:55 <dauwhe> q?
14:38:10 <BenSchroeter> Avneesh: WG should prepare a list of issues that were deferred from EPUB 3.3 like HTML vs XHTML. That would be a good topic for discussion with community group
14:38:24 <tzviya> q+
14:38:31 <dauwhe> ack tz
14:39:14 <BenSchroeter> Tzviya: we try to present as problems we want to solve as opposed to solutions
14:39:22 <dauwhe> q?
14:40:46 <duga> Use cases for html vs xhtml: Use of the shelf tools for content creation, use popular scripting libraries, better align with other standards
14:40:52 <dlazin> q+
14:41:18 <dauwhe> ack dlazin
14:42:31 <BenSchroeter> Dan: when preparing tests, please use as opportunity to improve the spec if you find something that is not clear
14:43:29 <BenSchroeter> Zheng: wouls like to share use cases from community group
14:45:14 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/27 i
14:46:48 <dauwhe> q?
14:46:51 <BenSchroeter> ...perhaps WG would want to standardize these use cases to be RS agnostic
14:47:03 <AvneeshSingh> better to discuss Media Overlays advancements on sync media community group
14:47:11 <dauwhe> https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/33/
14:48:47 <dauwhe> https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/34/
14:52:21 <BenSchroeter> Dave: having a separate navigation document is a foundational pillar of EPUB, so hesitant to move away from that unless we can be sure of benefits
14:53:35 <duga> q+ to ask about TPAC rooms
14:55:18 <dauwhe> ack duga
14:55:18 <Zakim> duga, you wanted to ask about TPAC rooms
14:56:53 <BenSchroeter> Brady: cheap rooms for TPAC are almost gone. Is there a block of rooms for W3C?
14:57:11 <BenSchroeter> Dan: will ask Ivan
14:57:29 <BenSchroeter> Tzviya: I'l try to look into it
14:58:56 <dauwhe> zakim, end meeting
14:58:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been dauwhe, AvneeshSingh, MasakazuKitahara, toshiakikoike, zheng_xu_, duga, BenSchroeter, AUbbink, CharlesL
14:58:58 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/20-epub-minutes.html Zakim
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