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13:57:11 <GeorgeK> meeting: PCG-a11y sub-taskforce on Accessibility Summary
13:57:37 <GeorgeK> Date: 19 May 2022
13:57:58 <GeorgeK> chair: Georgek
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14:07:59 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: we have updated the columns in the repo, the question is now we have got a couple of roles in the table. If we were to add all the possible combinations we are gonna have quite a few
14:08:13 <CharlesL> topic: Table columns have been updated with: Accessibility Metadata, Priority and  Suggested summary
14:08:22 <CharlesL> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/blob/main/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/index.html
14:08:37 <zheng_xu> ... we want to provide guidance of the first column
14:09:25 <zheng_xu> ... some publisher have confirmance statement in internal standards
14:09:40 <zheng_xu> ... the question is how we structure the columns
14:10:11 <zheng_xu> Rachel: we are tracking state internal, not a really standard but benefit for us
14:10:33 <Makoto> q+
14:10:36 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: so you just use the internal fields internally and not to put in the summary
14:10:41 <Michelle_> q+
14:10:45 <CharlesL> ack Makoto
14:11:23 <zheng_xu> Makoto: I am wondering if DAISY Japan introduce fields especially for Japan publications we might need to add to accessibility summary as well
14:12:22 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: in that case can you put some explaination
14:12:32 <zheng_xu> Makoto: yes
14:12:33 <CharlesL> q+
14:12:55 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: so how we can structure the table?
14:13:22 <CharlesL> ack Michelle_
14:13:42 <mgarrish> q+
14:14:04 <zheng_xu> Michelle_: I wonder if we could have external statement and internal statement
14:14:16 <zheng_xu> ... some publisher might want to use certain external statement
14:14:48 <CharlesL> ack me
14:15:16 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: I wonder if we could map your needs to see which statement could be internal or external
14:15:50 <zheng_xu> ... one thing is we have a lot of confirmTo statement and we have some issues
14:16:02 <zheng_xu> ... because some of them are referring to internal resources
14:16:11 <zheng_xu> ... I think we need to make it clear
14:16:44 <zheng_xu> ... back to george's question for the WCAG case we can have some general statement
14:16:54 <zheng_xu> ... maybe we can expand table?
14:16:56 <CharlesL> ack mgarrish
14:18:37 <zheng_xu> mgrrish: the text itself is pretty generic. How we represent the different string metadata?
14:19:10 <zheng_xu> ... I don't think we need lots and lots of different statement but think we might have some basic statement
14:20:03 <CharlesL> s/maybe we can expand table?/I don't think we need to expand the table.
14:21:07 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: so we link the crosswork in accessibilitySummary. If company is produsing this from ONIX then they can generate accessibilitySummary from there since not all epub has this field
14:21:17 <zheng_xu> ... does this sound correct?
14:21:46 <CharlesL> s/basic statement/basic statement. Only way to tell internal/external we would have to use the refines statement, is the only option we have available programmatically  within the OPF.
14:23:10 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: multiple confirmsTo is included in a11y 11 spec?
14:23:16 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: need to check
14:24:14 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: move on to the 2nd item in the agenda
14:25:14 <zheng_xu> ... which group we are going to link to?
14:27:14 <zheng_xu> ... so we got two crosswalk - schema.org and ONIX, schema.org and MARC
14:29:23 <zheng_xu> ... now for example of confirmsTo, we got accessibilityFeature and so on, for the confirmsTo what are we linking to
14:29:36 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: maybe still IDPF for now
14:30:06 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: we can use publishing a11y since it's only in the epub a11y right now
14:30:53 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: so what do we link to from accessibilitySummary to give people correct confirmsTo?
14:31:25 <zheng_xu> ... is it the EPUB Accessibility specification link (https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-11/) ?
14:31:46 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: if that is to provide the mapping and confirmsTo then can link to it
14:32:48 <zheng_xu> ... just try how to structure the a11y table
14:33:23 <zheng_xu> s/... just try how to structure the a11y table/GeorgeK:  just try how to structure the a11y table
14:35:11 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: ok, now we are clear about which crosswalk we are going to link to
14:36:22 <zheng_xu> ... question to Brady, if a book has multiple languages then in accessibilitySummary how do we deal with multiple language? For book with more languages it's going to be complicated
14:36:45 <zheng_xu> duga: I don't think we need to overengeneer it
14:37:40 <zheng_xu> ... if a book is in English and French and in Canada then if there is any legal reason for it we might have issue there though
14:38:05 <zheng_xu> ... but in most cases we only get one language for a book in the bookstore
14:39:17 <zheng_xu> ... suggest remain silent here since we don't know if that is a true use case
14:39:47 <zheng_xu> ... but I can not make any statement here yet
14:41:11 <Naomi> q+
14:44:09 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: ok let's not close this issue yet. We might not want to go to multiple accessibilitySummary and we assume take the first one
14:45:08 <zheng_xu> Naomi: I agree with not make statement yet. The scope can be very quick snowball
14:46:12 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: we get one more issue in the agenda
14:47:08 <zheng_xu> ... when publisher provide contact information for help or feedback do you think we could put it as part of accessibilitySummary?
14:48:06 <zheng_xu> Naomi: one issue is the hardcoded metadata in epub might be outdated later. Maybe still just email address is good enough?
14:48:28 <duga> q+
14:48:57 <mgarrish> q+
14:49:05 <zheng_xu> Rachel: we maintain generic a11y issue email and we included it in book and else where I don't know if needed to put it as part of accessibilitySummary
14:49:34 <Michelle_> q+
14:50:11 <zheng_xu> q+
14:50:44 <zheng_xu> duga: this is kinda beyond accessibility but we also get all feedback of typo and stuff
14:51:21 <zheng_xu> ... I don't think the contact in accessibilitySummary is very helpful and we might have a lot false positive
14:53:35 <zheng_xu> mgarrish: I don't know if people look at metadata for accessibility related contact.
14:54:06 <zheng_xu> ... recommend not put in accesibilitySummary
14:54:25 <zheng_xu> Michelle_: second mgarrish
14:54:38 <zheng_xu> ... might not be necessary for library as well
14:55:26 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: ok I suggest close this issue and put minuts in the github link
14:56:23 <zheng_xu> ... next call is June 2nd
14:56:40 <zheng_xu> ... thank you everyone and talk later
14:57:21 <zheng_xu> zakim, end meeting
14:57:21 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, CharlesL, GeorgeK, g_pellegrino, AlexGrover_, MadeleineRothberg, Naomi_, Makoto, AlexGrover, mgarrish, duga, zheng_xu,
14:57:24 <Zakim> ... TerenceSmyre, Michelle_, Naomi
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