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18:59:44 <Zakim> Meeting: Web Authentication WG
19:00:58 <wseltzer> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webauthn/2022May/0044.html
19:01:04 <wseltzer> wseltzer has changed the topic to: 18 May https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webauthn/2022May/0044.html
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19:02:17 <Ian> RRSAGENT, pointer?
19:02:17 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-webauthn-irc#T19-02-17
19:02:26 <Ian> present+
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19:04:05 <wseltzer> present+ Akshay, AndyPeterson, elundberg, jfontana, Nadalin, JohnBradley, JohnPascoe, sbweeden, Nina, StephenMcGruer
19:04:26 <wseltzer> present+
19:05:17 <Ian> -> http://www.w3.org/2022/Talks/wpwg-authn-202205/wpwga-202205.pptx joint meeting slide deck
19:05:22 <jfontana> Ian: guest with Stephen from Web Payments
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19:06:09 <Ian> agenda?
19:06:13 <Ian> agenda+ TPAC meeting
19:06:14 <jfontana> ...completing his notes from previous Web Payments meeting.
19:06:22 <wseltzer> F2F Registration: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/87227/webauthn2022/
19:06:54 <wseltzer> jfontana: Proposed agenda for F2F
19:07:02 <wseltzer> ... 30 min demonstration from Best Buy
19:07:14 <wseltzer> ... invitation to Ian, from Web Payments
19:07:22 <wseltzer> ... Dom, from Adoption CG
19:07:28 <wseltzer> ... and Nick
19:07:44 <Ian> [Ian has limited availability on 9 June]
19:07:58 <wseltzer> ... Update on FIDO2 from David Waite
19:08:14 <wseltzer> ... Spec work, passkey discussion
19:08:59 <nina> (thanks for the reminder!)
19:09:15 <jfontana> tony: how many people have signed on after the new charter
19:09:55 <jfontana> wendy: people have until the 29th to re-join  after new charter
19:10:48 <jfontana> tony: SPWF (FIDO) talking about what to do with passkey and what certification landscape will look like.
19:11:06 <jfontana> wendy: we are done with copyright, talked in PSIG
19:11:19 <jfontana> ...this is off recurring agenda
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19:11:41 <jfontana> tony: now to Ian
19:11:49 <Ian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/05/05-wpwg-minutes.html#t01 Minute from recent discussion
19:11:49 <wseltzer> present+ nsteele, matthewmiller, dveditz
19:12:09 <jfontana> Ina  SPC twoard candidate rec. have issues to close
19:12:22 <jfontana> ...have dependencies on fido
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19:12:54 <jfontana> ...discussion on migrating some SPC features to webauthn
19:13:17 <jfontana> ...issue #174; rtracning changes for multi-device credentials
19:13:37 <dveditz> could someone repost the slide link?
19:14:06 <dveditz> ah, I can see it in the mtg
19:14:22 <jfontana> Stephen: SPC  have similar non-modul pieces
19:14:33 <jfontana> ...we have credential IDs, no discovery
19:15:02 <nina> amazing review for conditional ui!
19:15:04 <jfontana> ...we think this functionality wil be same as conditional UI
19:15:20 <jfontana> ...try to stick close to WebAuth,
19:15:29 <jfontana>  ... share conditional and SPC
19:15:33 <wseltzer> present+ agl
19:15:43 <jfontana> ...like it to work with any transport
19:16:06 <jfontana> shane: what about caBLE transport
19:16:12 <jfontana> bradley: will be the same.
19:17:12 <Ian> "no vision that cable authenticators will silently wake up"
19:17:25 <jfontana> shane: sounds like target is platform authenticators and "others:  re: caBLE
19:17:38 <jfontana> stephen: roaming is more and more important
19:20:04 <jfontana> Stephen: looking at the low friction, and have something other that might not be as clean.
19:20:26 <jfontana> ...so ideas about pre-caching, but that is far-flung
19:20:56 <jfontana> bradley: will be option to click button to use caBLE authenticator or use a Security Key.
19:21:04 <jfontana> ...these might always be there is authentication flow
19:21:16 <jfontana> ian: next slide some examples in detail
19:21:43 <jfontana> ...with SPC , some challenges, what to do with users with different scenarios
19:21:49 <jfontana> ...how do we provide UX
19:22:08 <jfontana> ...we have these questions and others and how we answer them
19:22:17 <dveditz> q+ "silently query credential ID" and privacy review
19:22:30 <jfontana> ...multi-device credentials may change some of these
19:22:33 <dveditz> q+
19:22:54 <jfontana> yes
19:23:17 <wseltzer> ack next
19:24:38 <jfontana> elundberg: depends on who is discovering. these are two different things.
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19:26:15 <dveditz> I would love to get the link to these slides if that's possible (I think I joined too late to have seen then earlier)
19:26:19 <jfontana> ian: challenge is we don't have all the answers for all these cases. how do I know when to do things. re:prompt
19:26:24 <smcgruer_[EST]> q?
19:27:38 <jfontana> Ian: this is what we are chatting about.
19:28:34 <jfontana> ...in SPC case and cross-origin case; hard to know who am I authenticating to and with whom
19:28:42 <jfontana> ...we have issue in SPC on this.
19:29:32 <jfontana> bradley: two scenarioes. PSP is talking to 3DS, the other is where there is delgated authentication
19:30:02 <jfontana> Ian: issue #187 in Web Payments
19:30:18 <jfontana> ...boils down to bank or merchant use case.
19:30:59 <jfontana> ...we are tracking a range of scenarios
19:31:25 <jfontana> ...expecting to be signed over, but could move out of SPC with platform prompts.
19:31:49 <jfontana> ...talking about joint meeting at TPAC
19:32:25 <jfontana> ...get the right groups together and understand what we can do
19:33:02 <jfontana> Ian: thank you all
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19:36:47 <jfontana> bradley: discussion on SPWG and FIDO certification
19:36:56 <jfontana> tony: next steps for SPWG
19:37:03 <jfontana> bradley: meeting in Munich
19:37:40 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1706
19:37:53 <jfontana> nina, ready to merge.
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19:37:59 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1703
19:38:05 <jfontana> tony: some questions.
19:38:17 <jfontana> mattM: yes, some issues  here outstanding.
19:39:04 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1695
19:39:21 <jfontana> tony: still in limbo.
19:39:47 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1576
19:39:54 <jfontana> tony: this is UI
19:40:02 <jfontana> nina: still waiting on some reivew
19:40:24 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1425
19:40:30 <jfontana> eluncberg: no change
19:41:12 <jfontana> tony: un-triaged PR, #1718
19:41:40 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1718
19:41:49 <jfontana> agl: working on reply
19:42:35 <jfontana> tony: un-triaged  #1731
19:43:15 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1731
19:43:33 <jfontana> agl: we reponed and will not be acting on this.
19:43:42 <jfontana> responded
19:47:29 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1730
19:48:08 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1730
19:48:13 <jfontana> agl: we should drop this
19:48:41 <jfontana> mattM: want to know what dropping it means
19:50:40 <jfontana> tony: what do we do here?
19:50:55 <jfontana> bradley: drop it. it confuses people the feature does not exists
19:52:49 <jfontana> tony: close this one?
19:53:13 <jfontana> mattM: the issue was to drop generic pass through.
19:53:23 <jfontana> nic: think it hinges on another PR
19:53:27 <jfontana> agl: no.
19:54:22 <jfontana> eluncberg: proposal here is to remove this
19:54:39 <jfontana> agl: no browser wants to implement
19:55:09 <jfontana> nick: I will put together a PR and drop this.
19:55:17 <jfontana> tony: thank you
19:55:21 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1722
19:55:40 <jfontana> agl: I have answered this
19:55:50 <jfontana> tony: no one has responded to the answer
19:56:17 <jfontana> elundberg: I will close it
19:56:19 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1721
19:56:41 <jfontana> agl: I answered this one
19:56:47 <jfontana> tony: any issue closing this?
19:56:58 <jfontana> ...not hearing any objection.
19:57:04 <jfontana> ...close?
19:58:23 <jfontana> tony: will meet on June 1 and skip the meeting on June 15th.
19:58:31 <jfontana> ...resume on the 29th again.
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20:00:00 <jfontana> Zakim: list attendees
20:00:26 <wseltzer> chair: Nadalin, Fontana
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