15:51:24 RRSAgent has joined #pronunciation 15:51:24 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-pronunciation-irc 15:51:26 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:51:29 Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference 15:51:29 Date: 18 May 2022 15:51:47 zakim, agenda? 15:51:47 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 15:51:48 4. member's update [from iali] 15:51:59 zakim, clear agenda 15:51:59 agenda cleared 15:52:10 Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements 15:52:17 Agenda+ Guest: David Fazio (from COGA) 15:52:23 Agenda+ Action Items 15:52:29 Agenda+ Github Issues 15:52:34 Agenda+ Other Business 15:58:43 present+ 15:58:49 present+ 15:58:58 Fazio__ has joined #pronunciation 16:00:07 Alan_ has joined #pronunciation 16:00:07 janina has joined #pronunciation 16:00:14 present+ 16:00:46 present+ 16:02:09 SteveNoble has joined #pronunciation 16:02:18 present+ 16:02:33 scribe: Irfan Ali 16:02:39 chair: PaulG 16:02:41 zakim, next item 16:02:41 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from iali] 16:02:54 Chair: Paul G 16:03:01 Down syndrome affects kids' ability to learn in different ways, and most have mild to moderate intellectual disability. https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/down-syndrome.html 16:03:04 mhakkinen has joined #pronunciation 16:03:41 janina: we are expecting to meet DPub and Internalization at TPAC. 16:03:55 Down Syndrome - much higher receptive skills than expressive skills 16:04:03 PaulG: We will need to discuss our proposal with ARIA. 16:04:23 janina: we may need to have another conversation with them prior to TPAC 16:04:50 Augmentative Alternative Communication Devices AAC is critical early intervention - Down Syndrome 16:05:28 mhakkinen: got invited at the CCSO, department of education. meets in Atlanta in the end of the June. Apple and Google and some others including Pearson will be there and one of the topic is pronunciation 16:06:03 janina: you may be interested in one of the item that Paul is working on. 16:06:11 zakim, next item 16:06:11 agendum 2 -- Guest: David Fazio (from COGA) -- taken up [from iali] 16:07:08 Fazio__: introduction* 16:08:41 Fazio__: link to an article with a relevant quote 16:08:50 https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/down-syndrome.html 16:09:47 Fazio__: we did some study on down syndrome. 16:10:50 Fazio__: the part of expressive difficulty is some king of imperative speak. because of the multiple modality of the devices 16:11:42 PaulG: using aac or interactive with AT, where the correct pronunciation is a challenge to learning process, can you talk something about that? 16:12:54 Dee has joined #pronunciation 16:13:07 present+ 16:13:22 we get two side of this, there are lots of context where ATs are wrong. curious if there is anything about receive info from spoken or TTS engine that would further complicate the learning process. 16:14:42 Fazio__: they will create the picture of action or activity. person with disability articulate to the audience the expressions. lot of times parents create the specific images to respond them. There is not much research about it. But it needs to be clear in order to make things easier 16:15:19 janina: when the custom acc created, we made easy for people to author for better pronunciation which is useful. 16:17:52 The Voice Keeper enables creation of TTS from your own voice, AAC is one applicaiton: https://www.thevoicekeeper.com/ 16:18:43 +q 16:19:26 Fazio__: I have an entire binder with the instructions. I can provide this to the group. 16:19:30 ack mhakkinen 16:20:17 mhakkinen: there was a research for the spoke alarm that would have a voice of the parents. personalization of the voice can be very helpful. 16:21:28 s/spoke/smoke 16:23:14 present+ 16:24:38 present+ Sarah 16:25:13 PaulG: thanks for joining David. please share the research info that you have. 16:25:30 zakim, next item 16:25:30 agendum 3 -- Action Items -- taken up [from iali] 16:26:00 Sarah_Wood has joined #pronunciation 16:26:32 PaulG: dat time issue is still open 16:26:38 s/dat/day 16:26:58 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/101 16:28:39 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/110 16:29:15 PaulG: do we think we have all the use cases from Children group? 16:29:16 https://mlc.learningstewards.org/help/#Settings 16:31:47 janina: just so you know that we are writing a use case which will go further in two weeks. WayAdopt is the group. It used to be called personalization which was part of COGA. We should be coming out of the CR before TPAC. there will be two CR. first CR with data- 16:32:11 mhakkinen: sounds like halfway (pathway) to us. 16:34:15 janina: David has given us some interesting use cases. 16:35:38 PaulG: we will need to put these use cases in our documentations. Good to have all the use cases asap. 16:36:50 PaulG: need to update the use case document. 16:37:31 PaulG: need volunteers to help in this document. as an editor or author 16:37:44 zakim, next item 16:37:44 agendum 4 -- Github Issues -- taken up [from iali] 16:38:11 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/111 16:43:25 q+ 16:43:53 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2022AprJun/0037.html 16:44:03 PaulG: govt agencies have acronyms, they are gong to be spoken to you at some point and if you have learning disability it is important for tts to have the mechanism to speak these acronyms in the same way. 16:44:21 PaulG: we can respond to this ticket. 16:44:35 ack Dee 16:45:12 Dee: need to comment on authored vs spoken pronunciation in the context of the assessments. 16:45:21 q+ 16:45:45 the intended pronunciation is important in assessments so they are hearing the correct thing. 16:47:04 PaulG: some examples like triple one or double seven, these are very challenging use cases for tts 16:47:54 Dee: some words are pronounce in different way then they are authored in the assessments. If the SR reading them in one way and tts in another way, there could be a gap 16:48:19 PaulG: priority is what the author dictate. 16:49:22 mhakkinen: its like ccs !important property where user wants to override everything except the stuff that is marked as important. 16:49:46 mhakkinen: we talked about the implementation guide for the AT vendors 16:49:57 janina: its a good idea 16:50:09 PaulG: we can have a github with the AT label 16:50:18 zakim, next item 16:50:18 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, iali 16:50:32 ack A 16:50:42 ack Alan 16:52:55 PaulG: you get arrow in HTML and coding it in unicode char. easier approach would be a literature font where you can use some glyph when the AT reads, it will read the text and not a graphic. need to test it 16:53:02 janina: not sure how it works in the braille 16:53:55 PaulG: I want to get a literature font example and will send it to Janina to test it in Braille 16:54:18 Alan_: I was thinking of this issue which makes it clear as far as symbol is actually means. 16:54:38 PaulG: it would be a substitute instance. without the specs if it works in the braille, its good 16:55:02 PaulG: not necessary most author friendly mechanism though 16:55:11 zakim, next item 16:55:11 agendum 5 -- Other Business -- taken up [from iali] 16:55:19 rrsagent, make minutes 16:55:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-pronunciation-minutes.html iali