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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 May 2022
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Chair: Matthew
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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ be done
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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scribe: Gottfried
14:01:10 [Gottfried]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:01:10 [niklasegger]
present+
14:01:12 [PaulG]
present+
14:01:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:02:19 [Gottfried]
(no announcements)
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
14:02:23 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:02:23 [Zakim]
2. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:02:25 [Gottfried]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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present+
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present+
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14:02:55 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: No new charters
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
14:03:00 [Zakim]
I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:03:00 [Zakim]
3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:03:02 [Gottfried]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:03:34 [MichaelC]
subtopic: Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description_1.1
14:03:34 [MichaelC]
https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/21#issuecomment-1125179262
14:03:52 [Gottfried]
Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1
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janina: ready for review
14:04:40 [Gottfried]
janina: Have been dealing with this for years. Should be done by next week.
14:05:00 [becky]
present+
14:05:02 [Gottfried]
... Identify implications of the eco system, "middleware".
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Matthew_Atkinson: Does anybody remember?
14:05:32 [Gottfried]
... They used "middleware" in their reply.
14:05:50 [Gottfried]
https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/21#issuecomment-1125179262
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janina: Voice assistance is very common nowadays
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Matthew_Atkinson: We need to respond and keep it going
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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q?
14:06:57 [Gottfried]
zakim, take item 3
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I don't understand 'take item 3', Gottfried
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zakim, open item 3
14:07:01 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:07:05 [MichaelC]
subtopic: WebXR Device API
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https://github.com/immersive-web/webxr/issues/1167
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https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/107
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:07:35 [Gottfried]
WebXR device API
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subtopic: VISS version 2 - Core
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/VISS_version_2_-_Core
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https://www.w3.org/TR/viss2-core/
14:07:51 [MichaelC]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022May/0029.html
14:07:51 [Gottfried]
Fredrik: Not done yet.
14:08:03 [Gottfried]
VISS version 2
14:08:57 [Gottfried]
Fredrik: The VIS looks okay.
14:09:10 [janina]
q+
14:09:23 [Gottfried]
... Best practices doc contains a list of accessibility issues. Would require a task force.
14:09:47 [Gottfried]
... Looks like there is a strong buy-in from stakeholders.
14:10:00 [janina]
ack ja
14:10:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]
s/VIS looks/VISS looks/
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janina: We met with them in person, before COVID.
14:10:58 [Gottfried]
... They wanted a11y use cases and requirements from us, but not for fully autonomous vehicles.
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... Entertainment systems in vehicle are out of scope.
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... We dnded up kind of dropping this.
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s/dnded/ended
14:12:58 [Gottfried]
Fredrik: Action item could be the starting point of an accessibility user requirements (aur).
14:13:18 [Gottfried]
janina: We need to recruit for it.
14:13:57 [Gottfried]
janina: Maybe RQTF could take this up. Can talk to Jason about this.
14:14:15 [Gottfried]
... Would add more people to this conversation.
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... RQTF has deaf and hoh participation.
14:15:29 [Gottfried]
Fredrik: Better to work on this with others.
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janina: Michael, let's put something together.
14:16:00 [Gottfried]
... Continuing discusson on APA and how to be more helpful.
14:16:17 [MichaelC]
subtopic: Reporting API 1
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Reporting_API_1
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https://www.w3.org/TR/reporting-1/
14:16:17 [MichaelC]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022May/0026.html
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Reporting API 1
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q+
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janina: It relates to http headers.
14:17:16 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: Let's leave this open for now, since Lionel is not here.
14:17:22 [Matthew_Atkinson]
ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:17:53 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Is this Paul's thing about accessibility end point.
14:18:09 [Matthew_Atkinson]
This is Paul's draft comment: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Apr/0013.html
14:18:32 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: If Lionel has been looking at this, we need to combine it.
14:19:08 [Gottfried]
janina: It is a strong suggestions. Many interesting ways to leverage.
14:19:26 [Gottfried]
PaulG: Lighthouse...
14:20:05 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Not sure how much needs to be specified. Maybe just come up with an identifier.
14:20:32 [Gottfried]
janina: Maybe a standardized identifier. We need a reporting mechanism, a pipeline.
14:20:41 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: An extension mechanism.
14:21:04 [Gottfried]
janina: Standardize, opportunity to customize
14:21:35 [Gottfried]
... Slowly growing participation from overlay sector.
14:21:49 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Paul suggests there are multiple uses of it.
14:22:22 [Gottfried]
janina: People with engineering perspective should look at this.
14:22:33 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: We need to hear from Lionel.
14:23:24 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: We are on open review comments.
14:23:30 [Gottfried]
janina: Looks like we have time for that.
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zakim, next item
14:23:49 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:56 [MichaelC]
subtopic: W3C TAG Ethical Web Principles
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/W3C_TAG_Ethical_Web_Principles
14:23:56 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/TR/ethical-web-principles/
14:24:38 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: Accessibility is referenced briefly. Not sure we need more.
14:25:09 [PaulG]
q+
14:25:15 [Gottfried]
janina: If this is the same treatment as the other specs, i am content.
14:25:39 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: It is just documentation. Link to WAI home page.
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... Section "Web is for all people". https://www.w3.org/TR/ethical-web-principles/#allpeople
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ack PaulG
14:27:17 [Gottfried]
PaulG: In section 2.4: "the platform should enable a fully accessible end user experience". But nothing is fully accessible.
14:27:44 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Omit "fully"
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MichaelC: Comment?
14:28:21 [Fredrik]
q+
14:28:32 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: It is pedantic, but a high-level doc should be correct.
14:28:39 [Gottfried]
janina: Silver would like this to be fixed.
14:28:57 [Gottfried]
... One of the core arguments of the challenges doc
14:28:58 [Fazio]
+1 Janina
14:29:14 [Gottfried]
Fredrik: I volunteer for it.
14:30:11 [MichaelC]
subtopic: Privacy Principles
14:30:11 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Privacy_Principles
14:30:11 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/TR/privacy-principles/
14:30:14 [Gottfried]
ACTION: Fredrik to draft a comment on Reporting API by 2022-06-01. https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Reporting_API_1
14:30:14 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2323 - Draft a comment on reporting api by 2022-06-01. https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/reporting_api_1 [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-05-25].
14:30:18 [Matthew_Atkinson]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:30:34 [Gottfried]
action-2323 due 2022-06-01
14:30:34 [trackbot]
Set action-2323 Draft a comment on reporting api by 2022-06-01. https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/reporting_api_1 due date to 2022-06-01.
14:31:13 [Gottfried]
Privacy Principles
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MichaelC: Fingerprinting is the issue
14:31:45 [Gottfried]
PaulG: There is a wording on this - should be covered
14:31:53 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: So we just sign off
14:32:02 [MichaelC]
subtopic: Web of Things (WoT) Architecture 1.1
14:32:02 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1
14:32:02 [MichaelC]
https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/23
14:32:02 [MichaelC]
https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/
14:32:30 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: We haven't reviewed this doc yet.
14:32:38 [Gottfried]
janina: Doc must be advancing towards CR.
14:32:49 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: They say the editor's draft is more current.
14:33:27 [Gottfried]
ACTION: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture 1.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/, due 2022-06-01
14:33:27 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2324 - Review web of things (wot) architecture 1.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/wot-architecture11/, due 2022-06-01 [on Janina Sajka - due 2022-05-25].
14:33:33 [MichaelC]
subtopic: MiniApp Manifest
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MiniApp_Manifest
14:33:33 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-manifest/
14:33:33 [MichaelC]
https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/28
14:33:33 [MichaelC]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/49
14:33:46 [Gottfried]
action-2324 due 2022-06-01
14:33:46 [trackbot]
Set action-2324 Review web of things (wot) architecture 1.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/wot-architecture11/, due 2022-06-01 due date to 2022-06-01.
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Roy: Will do.
14:34:34 [Fredrik]
q+
14:34:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]
present+
14:35:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:35:41 [Gottfried]
Roy: I can do a presentation on miniapps.
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zakim, next item
14:35:46 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Gottfried
14:36:02 [PaulG]
noting that "label" which is listed as accessible text in miniapp schema is not required
14:36:08 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q+
14:36:11 [Matthew_Atkinson]
ack Fredrik
14:36:19 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q?
14:36:34 [Gottfried]
Lionel_Wolberger: I am now here.
14:37:02 [MichaelC]
subtopic: Reporting API 1
14:37:39 [Gottfried]
Lionel_Wolberger: Hard to read, very abstract.
14:38:08 [Gottfried]
... It meets a need if there is a failure on the user side.
14:38:17 [Gottfried]
... Compelling if you are a web provider.
14:38:23 [Gottfried]
... Happens behind the scenes.
14:38:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel's email to the list on his review: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022May/0026.html
14:38:43 [Gottfried]
E.g. failed certificates, CORS problems
14:39:08 [Gottfried]
... Perhaps we can talk about a11y failures here?
14:39:40 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Paul responded to this earlier.
14:39:55 [MichaelC]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Apr/0013.html
14:40:24 [Gottfried]
PaulG: Opportunity for inclusion. Accessibility endpoint.
14:40:43 [Gottfried]
... May build on Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT).
14:40:56 [Gottfried]
... Extra precautions for data security.
14:41:23 [Gottfried]
Lionel_Wolberger: Endpoints could be used to put this on a higher level.
14:41:30 [Gottfried]
janina: Could be really powerful.
14:41:53 [Gottfried]
... Adding accessibility as another pipeline. Standardized reporting mechanism.
14:41:59 [Gottfried]
... Vendor-specific extensions possible.
14:42:18 [Gottfried]
Lionel_Wolberger: To my understanding, industry will support this.
14:42:36 [Gottfried]
... Currently, we rely on accessibility statements.
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... Service providers should have an interest to know about accessibility failures.
14:43:11 [Gottfried]
... Standardized across all platforms.
14:43:22 [Gottfried]
... Users can report about accessibility issues.
14:43:38 [Gottfried]
PaulG: Reporting API endpoint could point to a third party.
14:44:32 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: What are our next steps?
14:44:58 [Gottfried]
janina: I would like APA to take this on. Paul, can you beef up your comment? Get the conversation going.
14:45:11 [Gottfried]
... Maturity model should take notice of this.
14:45:31 [Lionel_Wolberger]
+1
14:45:44 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q?
14:45:47 [Matthew_Atkinson]
ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:46:51 [Gottfried]
ACTION: PaulG to draft a CfC for an accessibility endpoint on the Reporting API spec due 2022-06-01
14:46:52 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2325 - Draft a cfc for an accessibility endpoint on the reporting api spec due 2022-06-01 [on Paul Grenier - due 2022-05-25].
14:47:06 [Gottfried]
action-2325 due 2022-06-01
14:47:06 [trackbot]
Set action-2325 Draft a cfc for an accessibility endpoint on the reporting api spec due 2022-06-01 due date to 2022-06-01.
14:47:19 [Gottfried]
zakim, next item
14:47:19 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:47:35 [Gottfried]
MichaelC: We can move on.
14:47:41 [Gottfried]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 5 closed
14:47:42 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:47:42 [Zakim]
6. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:47:44 [Gottfried]
zakim, open next item
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agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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SUBTOPIC: RQTF
14:48:37 [Gottfried]
janina: Remote meetings is out for wide review comments
14:48:51 [Gottfried]
https://www.w3.org/TR/remote-meetings/
14:49:05 [Gottfried]
janina: Two years of COVID experience in this...
14:49:46 [Gottfried]
SUBTOPIC: Coga
14:50:06 [Gottfried]
Fazio: Two sessions at ICCHP conference.
14:50:27 [Gottfried]
... Project room at ICCHP conf.
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SUBTOPIC: Pronunciation
14:51:40 [Gottfried]
PaulG: Talking about use cases with accessibility for children community group.
14:52:04 [Gottfried]
SUBTOPIC: Adapt
14:52:38 [Gottfried]
Lionel_Wolberger: Renaming going smoothly. Focusing on TPAC - no breakout meetings alone.
14:52:40 [Fazio]
I now have access to Pronunciation
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zakim, next item
14:52:52 [Zakim]
agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:53:07 [Gottfried]
zakim, close this item
14:53:07 [Zakim]
agendum 7 closed
14:53:08 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:53:08 [Zakim]
8. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:53:11 [Gottfried]
zakim, open next item
14:53:11 [Zakim]
agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:53:42 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Haven't seen any requests for joint meetings yet.
14:54:17 [Gottfried]
... We will send this information later this week. If you have any last-minute requests let us know.
14:54:51 [Gottfried]
... TPAC organizers asked as to provide input on whether the following events would be of interest to us.
14:55:11 [Matthew_Atkinson]
List of events at end of this form (which you don't need to fill in; we will): https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/
14:55:20 [Gottfried]
s/asked as/asked us
14:55:50 [Gottfried]
Options:
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Technical plenary with a few high level presentations Place for demos Hackathon Workshop Developer meetup to include local community - evening event Training overview on W3C technologies Other
14:56:50 [Gottfried]
Fazio: Two tracks by California...
14:57:44 [Gottfried]
(too fast to minute)
14:58:28 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: Developer meetup should be good.
14:59:03 [Gottfried]
Fazio: Coga-Workshop with "Content usable"?
14:59:09 [Gottfried]
janina: You did that last year.
14:59:25 [Gottfried]
Fredrik: When is the deadline for proposing these events?
14:59:57 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: This is now only to assess interest. You can propose the sessions later.
15:00:11 [Gottfried]
Matthew_Atkinson: adjourned
15:00:52 [Gottfried]
zakim, bye
15:00:52 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, Roy, Matthew_Atkinson, Lionel_Wolberger, Fredrik, becky, PaulG, nadinesienel, Nadine, Joshue,
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Gottfried
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