13:56:41 RRSAgent has joined #apa 13:56:41 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-irc 13:56:43 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:56:46 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 13:56:46 Date: 18 May 2022 13:57:09 nadine has joined #apa 13:57:20 Chair: Matthew 13:57:25 agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements 13:57:29 agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 13:57:32 agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review 13:57:34 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 13:57:37 agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned 13:57:40 agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates 13:57:44 agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open 13:57:48 Fazio has joined #apa 13:57:48 agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 13:57:51 agenda+ Other Business 13:57:54 agenda+ be done 13:58:16 present+ 13:58:20 present+ 13:58:21 PaulG has joined #apa 13:59:15 niklasegger has joined #apa 14:00:00 present+ 14:00:01 Gottfried has joined #apa 14:00:23 present+ 14:00:44 present+ 14:00:50 present+ 14:00:59 scribe: Gottfried 14:01:10 zakim, next item 14:01:10 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:01:10 present+ 14:01:12 present+ 14:01:26 rrsagent, make minutes 14:01:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson 14:02:19 (no announcements) 14:02:22 zakim, close this item 14:02:22 agendum 1 closed 14:02:23 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:02:23 2. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:02:25 zakim, next item 14:02:25 agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:02:25 Fredrik has joined #apa 14:02:32 present+ 14:02:36 present+ 14:02:53 becky has joined #apa 14:02:55 MichaelC: No new charters 14:02:59 zakim, close this item 14:03:00 agendum 2 closed 14:03:00 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:03:00 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:03:02 zakim, next item 14:03:02 agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:03:34 subtopic: Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1 14:03:34 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description_1.1 14:03:34 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/21#issuecomment-1125179262 14:03:52 Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1 14:04:16 janina: ready for review 14:04:40 janina: Have been dealing with this for years. Should be done by next week. 14:05:00 present+ 14:05:02 ... Identify implications of the eco system, "middleware". 14:05:13 Matthew_Atkinson: Does anybody remember? 14:05:32 ... They used "middleware" in their reply. 14:05:50 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/21#issuecomment-1125179262 14:06:15 janina: Voice assistance is very common nowadays 14:06:35 Matthew_Atkinson: We need to respond and keep it going 14:06:40 zakim, next item 14:06:40 agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:06:48 q? 14:06:57 zakim, take item 3 14:06:57 I don't understand 'take item 3', Gottfried 14:07:01 zakim, open item 3 14:07:01 agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:07:05 subtopic: WebXR Device API 14:07:05 https://github.com/immersive-web/webxr/issues/1167 14:07:05 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/107 14:07:16 rrsagent, make minutes 14:07:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson 14:07:35 WebXR device API 14:07:51 subtopic: VISS version 2 - Core 14:07:51 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/VISS_version_2_-_Core 14:07:51 https://www.w3.org/TR/viss2-core/ 14:07:51 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022May/0029.html 14:07:51 Fredrik: Not done yet. 14:08:03 VISS version 2 14:08:57 Fredrik: The VIS looks okay. 14:09:10 q+ 14:09:23 ... Best practices doc contains a list of accessibility issues. Would require a task force. 14:09:47 ... Looks like there is a strong buy-in from stakeholders. 14:10:00 ack ja 14:10:24 s/VIS looks/VISS looks/ 14:10:26 janina: We met with them in person, before COVID. 14:10:58 ... They wanted a11y use cases and requirements from us, but not for fully autonomous vehicles. 14:11:31 ... Entertainment systems in vehicle are out of scope. 14:11:47 ... We dnded up kind of dropping this. 14:11:52 s/dnded/ended 14:12:58 Fredrik: Action item could be the starting point of an accessibility user requirements (aur). 14:13:18 janina: We need to recruit for it. 14:13:57 janina: Maybe RQTF could take this up. Can talk to Jason about this. 14:14:15 ... Would add more people to this conversation. 14:14:39 ... RQTF has deaf and hoh participation. 14:15:29 Fredrik: Better to work on this with others. 14:15:44 janina: Michael, let's put something together. 14:16:00 ... Continuing discusson on APA and how to be more helpful. 14:16:17 subtopic: Reporting API 1 14:16:17 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Reporting_API_1 14:16:17 https://www.w3.org/TR/reporting-1/ 14:16:17 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022May/0026.html 14:16:27 Reporting API 1 14:16:39 Alisa_Smith has joined #apa 14:16:55 q+ 14:16:57 janina: It relates to http headers. 14:17:16 MichaelC: Let's leave this open for now, since Lionel is not here. 14:17:22 ack Matthew_Atkinson 14:17:53 Matthew_Atkinson: Is this Paul's thing about accessibility end point. 14:18:09 This is Paul's draft comment: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Apr/0013.html 14:18:32 Matthew_Atkinson: If Lionel has been looking at this, we need to combine it. 14:19:08 janina: It is a strong suggestions. Many interesting ways to leverage. 14:19:26 PaulG: Lighthouse... 14:20:05 Matthew_Atkinson: Not sure how much needs to be specified. Maybe just come up with an identifier. 14:20:32 janina: Maybe a standardized identifier. We need a reporting mechanism, a pipeline. 14:20:41 Matthew_Atkinson: An extension mechanism. 14:21:04 janina: Standardize, opportunity to customize 14:21:35 ... Slowly growing participation from overlay sector. 14:21:49 Matthew_Atkinson: Paul suggests there are multiple uses of it. 14:22:22 janina: People with engineering perspective should look at this. 14:22:33 Matthew_Atkinson: We need to hear from Lionel. 14:23:24 MichaelC: We are on open review comments. 14:23:30 janina: Looks like we have time for that. 14:23:49 zakim, next item 14:23:49 agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:23:56 subtopic: W3C TAG Ethical Web Principles 14:23:56 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/W3C_TAG_Ethical_Web_Principles 14:23:56 https://www.w3.org/TR/ethical-web-principles/ 14:24:38 MichaelC: Accessibility is referenced briefly. Not sure we need more. 14:25:09 q+ 14:25:15 janina: If this is the same treatment as the other specs, i am content. 14:25:39 MichaelC: It is just documentation. Link to WAI home page. 14:26:05 ... Section "Web is for all people". https://www.w3.org/TR/ethical-web-principles/#allpeople 14:26:17 ack PaulG 14:27:17 PaulG: In section 2.4: "the platform should enable a fully accessible end user experience". But nothing is fully accessible. 14:27:44 Matthew_Atkinson: Omit "fully" 14:27:48 MichaelC: Comment? 14:28:21 q+ 14:28:32 Matthew_Atkinson: It is pedantic, but a high-level doc should be correct. 14:28:39 janina: Silver would like this to be fixed. 14:28:57 ... One of the core arguments of the challenges doc 14:28:58 +1 Janina 14:29:14 Fredrik: I volunteer for it. 14:30:11 subtopic: Privacy Principles 14:30:11 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Privacy_Principles 14:30:11 https://www.w3.org/TR/privacy-principles/ 14:30:14 ACTION: Fredrik to draft a comment on Reporting API by 2022-06-01. https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Reporting_API_1 14:30:14 Created ACTION-2323 - Draft a comment on reporting api by 2022-06-01. https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/reporting_api_1 [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2022-05-25]. 14:30:18 rrsagent, make minutes 14:30:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson 14:30:34 action-2323 due 2022-06-01 14:30:34 Set action-2323 Draft a comment on reporting api by 2022-06-01. https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/reporting_api_1 due date to 2022-06-01. 14:31:13 Privacy Principles 14:31:19 MichaelC: Fingerprinting is the issue 14:31:45 PaulG: There is a wording on this - should be covered 14:31:53 MichaelC: So we just sign off 14:32:02 subtopic: Web of Things (WoT) Architecture 1.1 14:32:02 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1 14:32:02 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/23 14:32:02 https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/ 14:32:30 MichaelC: We haven't reviewed this doc yet. 14:32:38 janina: Doc must be advancing towards CR. 14:32:49 MichaelC: They say the editor's draft is more current. 14:33:27 ACTION: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture 1.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/, due 2022-06-01 14:33:27 Created ACTION-2324 - Review web of things (wot) architecture 1.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/wot-architecture11/, due 2022-06-01 [on Janina Sajka - due 2022-05-25]. 14:33:33 subtopic: MiniApp Manifest 14:33:33 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MiniApp_Manifest 14:33:33 https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-manifest/ 14:33:33 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/28 14:33:33 https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/49 14:33:46 action-2324 due 2022-06-01 14:33:46 Set action-2324 Review web of things (wot) architecture 1.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/wot-architecture11/, due 2022-06-01 due date to 2022-06-01. 14:34:17 Lionel_Wolberger has joined #apa 14:34:31 Roy: Will do. 14:34:34 q+ 14:34:42 present+ 14:35:14 rrsagent, make minutes 14:35:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger 14:35:41 Roy: I can do a presentation on miniapps. 14:35:46 zakim, next item 14:35:46 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Gottfried 14:36:02 noting that "label" which is listed as accessible text in miniapp schema is not required 14:36:08 q+ 14:36:11 ack Fredrik 14:36:19 q? 14:36:34 Lionel_Wolberger: I am now here. 14:37:02 subtopic: Reporting API 1 14:37:39 Lionel_Wolberger: Hard to read, very abstract. 14:38:08 ... It meets a need if there is a failure on the user side. 14:38:17 ... Compelling if you are a web provider. 14:38:23 ... Happens behind the scenes. 14:38:24 Lionel's email to the list on his review: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022May/0026.html 14:38:43 E.g. failed certificates, CORS problems 14:39:08 ... Perhaps we can talk about a11y failures here? 14:39:40 Matthew_Atkinson: Paul responded to this earlier. 14:39:55 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Apr/0013.html 14:40:24 PaulG: Opportunity for inclusion. Accessibility endpoint. 14:40:43 ... May build on Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT). 14:40:56 ... Extra precautions for data security. 14:41:23 Lionel_Wolberger: Endpoints could be used to put this on a higher level. 14:41:30 janina: Could be really powerful. 14:41:53 ... Adding accessibility as another pipeline. Standardized reporting mechanism. 14:41:59 ... Vendor-specific extensions possible. 14:42:18 Lionel_Wolberger: To my understanding, industry will support this. 14:42:36 ... Currently, we rely on accessibility statements. 14:43:03 ... Service providers should have an interest to know about accessibility failures. 14:43:11 ... Standardized across all platforms. 14:43:22 ... Users can report about accessibility issues. 14:43:38 PaulG: Reporting API endpoint could point to a third party. 14:44:32 Matthew_Atkinson: What are our next steps? 14:44:58 janina: I would like APA to take this on. Paul, can you beef up your comment? Get the conversation going. 14:45:11 ... Maturity model should take notice of this. 14:45:31 +1 14:45:44 q? 14:45:47 ack Lionel_Wolberger 14:46:51 ACTION: PaulG to draft a CfC for an accessibility endpoint on the Reporting API spec due 2022-06-01 14:46:52 Created ACTION-2325 - Draft a cfc for an accessibility endpoint on the reporting api spec due 2022-06-01 [on Paul Grenier - due 2022-05-25]. 14:47:06 action-2325 due 2022-06-01 14:47:06 Set action-2325 Draft a cfc for an accessibility endpoint on the reporting api spec due 2022-06-01 due date to 2022-06-01. 14:47:19 zakim, next item 14:47:19 agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:47:35 MichaelC: We can move on. 14:47:41 zakim, close this item 14:47:41 agendum 5 closed 14:47:42 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:47:42 6. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:47:44 zakim, open next item 14:47:44 agendum 6 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:48:01 SUBTOPIC: RQTF 14:48:37 janina: Remote meetings is out for wide review comments 14:48:51 https://www.w3.org/TR/remote-meetings/ 14:49:05 janina: Two years of COVID experience in this... 14:49:46 SUBTOPIC: Coga 14:50:06 Fazio: Two sessions at ICCHP conference. 14:50:27 ... Project room at ICCHP conf. 14:50:55 SUBTOPIC: Pronunciation 14:51:40 PaulG: Talking about use cases with accessibility for children community group. 14:52:04 SUBTOPIC: Adapt 14:52:38 Lionel_Wolberger: Renaming going smoothly. Focusing on TPAC - no breakout meetings alone. 14:52:40 I now have access to Pronunciation 14:52:52 zakim, next item 14:52:52 agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:53:07 zakim, close this item 14:53:07 agendum 7 closed 14:53:08 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:53:08 8. TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:53:11 zakim, open next item 14:53:11 agendum 8 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson] 14:53:42 Matthew_Atkinson: Haven't seen any requests for joint meetings yet. 14:54:17 ... We will send this information later this week. If you have any last-minute requests let us know. 14:54:51 ... TPAC organizers asked as to provide input on whether the following events would be of interest to us. 14:55:11 List of events at end of this form (which you don't need to fill in; we will): https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/ 14:55:20 s/asked as/asked us 14:55:50 Options: 14:55:59 Technical plenary with a few high level presentations Place for demos Hackathon Workshop Developer meetup to include local community - evening event Training overview on W3C technologies Other 14:56:50 Fazio: Two tracks by California... 14:57:44 (too fast to minute) 14:58:28 Matthew_Atkinson: Developer meetup should be good. 14:59:03 Fazio: Coga-Workshop with "Content usable"? 14:59:09 janina: You did that last year. 14:59:25 Fredrik: When is the deadline for proposing these events? 14:59:57 Matthew_Atkinson: This is now only to assess interest. You can propose the sessions later. 15:00:11 Matthew_Atkinson: adjourned 15:00:52 zakim, bye 15:00:52 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, Roy, Matthew_Atkinson, Lionel_Wolberger, Fredrik, becky, PaulG, nadinesienel, Nadine, Joshue, 15:00:52 Zakim has left #apa 15:00:56 ... MichaelC, Irfan, Joshue108, Fazio, Gottfried 15:01:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/18-apa-minutes.html Gottfried 15:02:21 PaulG has left #apa 15:06:34 maryjom has joined #apa 17:44:03 kirkwood has joined #APA 18:05:44 stevelee has joined #apa 18:38:06 maryjom has joined #apa