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13:03:35 <MichaelC> meeting: Accessibility Functional Needs
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13:03:53 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11y-functional-needs/2022May/0011.html
13:03:57 <MichaelC> chair: Josh
13:04:25 <ToddL> scribe: ToddL
13:04:46 <ToddL> Joshue108: Feedback on COGA call. Any thoughhts?
13:05:06 <ToddL> Joshue108_:  How we felt it went, was it useful?
13:05:47 <ToddL> JakeAbma: Always useful. Felt like they thought they had something else than us, I don't think that's the case. We're not that far apart.
13:06:16 <ToddL> JakeAbma: Would be good for them to give feedback on FN list
13:10:26 <ToddL> Joshue108_: Usefule, constructive meeting, and open to their ideas and input.
13:10:35 <ToddL> Scope has to be managed.
13:16:30 <Joshue108_> Not this one? https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
13:18:20 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG2/supplemental/#cognitiveaccessibilityguidance
13:18:22 <JakeAbma> https://w3c.github.io/coga/user-research/
13:19:39 <Joshue108_> JOC: I really like this https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG2/supplemental/#cognitiveaccessibilityguidance
13:19:52 <Joshue108_> Useful, clear, terse
13:22:58 <Joshue108_> + 1 to using this - nice way of adding these COGA requirements into our Matrix
13:26:32 <ToddL> Have to step away for a minute
13:27:52 <Joshue108_> <discussion on naming conventions on Adapt etc>
13:28:05 <Joshue108_> JOC: Next steps on COGA
13:29:12 <Joshue108_> JOC: Lets invote COGA again in a month, Josh to reach out to Rain and Lisa and we can discuss approaches to using the Suppl guidance doc
13:30:33 <Joshue108_> JOC: I thought it would be interesting to hear their perspective on our Deceptive Patterns work
13:30:44 <Joshue108_> We can add that our agenda for next time.
13:30:55 <Joshue108_> TOPIC: Review of Jeanne and Mary Jo's feedback
13:31:15 <Joshue108_> Review of Jeanne and Mary Jo's feedback
13:31:23 <Joshue108_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZeCqTRTY0lmWvp1Xv_wO0iH1OzyECBa1UXQ_UeocjQ/edit#heading=h.4jiwp8jpc143
13:31:33 <Joshue108_> They've added comments on our doc- lets discuss
13:31:43 <Joshue108_> Main Functional Needs - Main User Needs - Main Outcomes
13:32:14 <ToddL> Joshue108_: Walking through wwhat Jeanne and Mary Jo left in their feedback
13:34:46 <ToddL> Joshue108_: Can walk through comments left in the doc
13:37:53 <Joshue108_> <Discussion of Bruces comment - on Safety>
13:38:21 <ToddL> JakeAbma: Big problem with intersections
13:38:48 <ToddL> Josh, I missed that, I've got fires at work I'm trying to contain
13:40:10 <Joshue108_> MC: Safety is a general user need and not a functional need as such
13:40:19 <ToddL> Thanks Josh.
13:40:20 <Joshue108_> We could on that basis remove
13:40:45 <Joshue108_> JA: I have an issue with some of these intersections - we should review
13:41:12 <Joshue108_> MC: Discussion of user needs for Deafblind
13:41:55 <Joshue108_> JA: Some blind users may not know braille- or have their needs covered in other places
13:42:25 <Joshue108_> JA: There are potentially endless amounts of intersection, so we have to be careful
13:42:41 <Joshue108_> MC: Right, we should not create intersections because we can
13:42:51 <Joshue108_> I'm inclined to be minimal
13:43:18 <Joshue108_> MC: Lets keep it simple, if we can avoid some intersectional joinings
13:43:34 <Joshue108_> JOC: It's an issue of coverage
13:44:09 <Joshue108_> So the question is do we still need this "Essential Use without physical harm or risk (to self or others within a physical environment)"
13:44:33 <Joshue108_> MC: We should bring Charles back in.
13:44:40 <Joshue108_> JOC: Do know harm *grin
13:44:47 <Joshue108_> I think it was XR related
13:45:23 <Joshue108_> MC: What about multiple disabilities?
13:45:34 <Joshue108_> JOC: Right, and competing user needs.
13:47:16 <Joshue108_> JA: In this case - we should ask people to prove something is an issue, or the requirements of the intersection doesn't work
13:47:38 <Joshue108_> This would be a trigger to see if it is something that we should actually document
13:47:42 <Joshue108_> MC: Makes sense
13:48:07 <Joshue108_> MC: So not abandoning the possibility of an intersection but expecting them to be exceptional
13:51:01 <Joshue108_> JOC: I'll ping Charles and see where he is at
13:53:42 <Joshue108_> <Discussion on Lisas comment on 'Restoring context' for people with dementia>
13:55:50 <Joshue108_> JA: This could already be covered by the existing functional need - on memory etc
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