IRC log of personalization on 2022-05-16

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Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 16 May 2022

13:36:50 [sharon]

zakim, clear agenda

13:36:50 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

13:36:54 [sharon]

agenda?

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chair: sharon

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agenda+ Announce that next meeting will be on IRC Channel 'adapt'

13:37:53 [sharon]

agenda+ Inclusive Design 24 (Matthew)

13:38:24 [sharon]

agenda+ APA Adapt announcement and messaging - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2022May/0002.html

13:38:36 [sharon]

agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022 - Plan meetings; remind chairs to fill in the form before 31 May:   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/

13:38:53 [sharon]

agenda+ Adapt chairs, approve the Roy PR regarding renaming specification docs from Personalization to Adapt (and adding the caption) https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/205

13:39:09 [sharon]

agenda+ PR status on issues 203 and 204 (merge) -  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/203,  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/204

13:39:28 [sharon]

agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status

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agenda+ Planning future COGA meetings on our other two modules

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agenda?

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present+

14:00:10 [Matthew_Atkinson]

zakim, who's here?

14:00:10 [Zakim]

Present: Lionel_Wolberger, sharon, CharlesL, becky, Janina, janina_, Lisa, mike_beganyi, Matthew_Atkinson, Roy

14:00:12 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Matthew_Atkinson, janina, RRSAgent, sharon, Roy, MichaelC, hadleybeeman, Zakim, trackbot

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14:02:24 [mike_beganyi]

present+

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14:02:41 [mike_beganyi]

scribe: mike_beganyi

14:03:51 [CharlesL]

present+

14:04:16 [mike_beganyi]

zaki, next item

14:04:19 [mike_beganyi]

zakim, next item

14:04:19 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- Announce that next meeting will be on IRC Channel 'adapt' -- taken up [from sharon]

14:04:42 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: as of next week the IRC channel will be Adapt

14:04:53 [CharlesL]

q+

14:04:58 [mike_beganyi]

janina: page needs to be updated. that's for Roy

14:05:07 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: Roy, can you update?

14:05:23 [mike_beganyi]

Roy: I will update

14:05:43 [CharlesL]

q?

14:06:00 [sharon]

ack CharlesL

14:06:01 [mike_beganyi]

CharlesL: also the mailing list has -personalization in it

14:06:41 [mike_beganyi]

janina: will create a new archive. our Wiki will have to point out that we operated as Personalization. they're archived in a different place

14:07:32 [CharlesL]

q+

14:07:39 [mike_beganyi]

Roy: will need to confirm changing the e-mail

14:07:44 [sharon]

ack CharlesL

14:08:01 [mike_beganyi]

CharlesL: the changes to github, we'll be in our specs pointing to new repos on github, right?

14:08:21 [mike_beganyi]

Roy: I think so. github will be changed by public list document

14:08:31 [mike_beganyi]

Roy: will include all URL and feedback

14:08:44 [mike_beganyi]

janina: update working draft with all changes then advance to CR

14:09:01 [mike_beganyi]

zakim, next item

14:09:01 [Zakim]

agendum 2 -- Inclusive Design 24 (Matthew) -- taken up [from sharon]

14:10:01 [Matthew_Atkinson]

Details: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2022May/0010.html

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agenda?

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q?

14:10:50 [Lionel_Wolberger]

present+

14:11:05 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: widely known series of talks. they archive the videos. would be a good opportunity to let people know about what we're doing

14:11:45 [janina]

q+

14:11:55 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: present 30 minutes of Adapt and/or some APA work (XR, CAPTCHA, maturity, etc.)

14:12:20 [sharon]

ack janina

14:12:24 [mike_beganyi]

janina: two questions. when's the conference?

14:12:31 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: 22nd of September I believe

14:12:40 [mike_beganyi]

janina: what outcomes are we seeking?

14:13:10 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: help with wide review of Adapt and encourage implementation, general publicizing of work we're doing

14:13:41 [mike_beganyi]

janina: is it typical for the conference to have prospective work? that's the stage we're in currently

14:14:48 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: timing is potentially difficult. up to them to decide whether it's worthwhile.

14:15:24 [sharon]

q?

14:16:13 [mike_beganyi]

janina: a little nervous about prospective versus the ability to implement after learning about it during the event

14:17:07 [mike_beganyi]

q?

14:18:11 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: anyone you could talk to with those questions in mind, Matthew? or propose and see if a presentation is accepted?

14:18:41 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: can always contact and ask if appropriate content. would need to decide whether we're going to go ahead with the content

14:20:12 [mike_beganyi]

janina: seems like more of a general APA opportunity as opposed to Adapt in particular. need to consider the outcomes of the presentation and what we want from it

14:22:20 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: don't think an hour presentation is necessary

14:23:51 [mike_beganyi]

janina: if purpose is to introduce people to APA/W3C and what our current work is, then it becomes at least an APA if not W3C/WAI presentation

14:24:05 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: what to propose to move forward with this

14:24:16 [mike_beganyi]

janina: need more concrete sense of outcomes and what the conference is

14:24:34 [mike_beganyi]

janina: just unclear as to what we're presenting or leaving with after the presentation

14:27:38 [mike_beganyi]

Lionel_Wolberger: could do an hour if we discuss other APA work (COGA, Pronunciation, Adapt)

14:28:44 [Matthew_Atkinson]

Abstract from the site: Inclusive Design 24 (#id24) is a free 24-hour online event for the global community. It celebrates inclusive design and shares knowledge and ideas from analogue to digital, from design to development, from planners to practitioners, and everything and everyone in between.

14:29:28 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: will talk about this outside of this TF

14:29:37 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: have you do that in APA call tomorrow

14:29:39 [mike_beganyi]

zakim, next item

14:29:39 [Zakim]

agendum 3 -- APA Adapt announcement and messaging - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2022May/0002.html -- taken up [from sharon]

14:30:52 [mike_beganyi]

janina: I will look at it because we have a meeting that will include Shawn. want to get her involved sooner than later

14:31:16 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: updating to Adapt, added the dates, updates from previous reviews, should be the same thing we reviewed before

14:31:54 [mike_beganyi]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- TPAC 12-16 September 2022 - Plan meetings; remind chairs to fill in the form before 31 May:   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/ -- taken up [from

14:31:57 [Zakim]

... sharon]

14:32:10 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: planning, form to be filled out

14:32:33 [Matthew_Atkinson]

This is the page the TF needs to add to: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022

14:32:36 [Matthew_Atkinson]

q+

14:32:45 [mike_beganyi]

janina: Matthew and I will do that sometime between 18th and 25th. we need each TF to decide whether the TF wants to work together or take time during TPAC to work on something

14:33:11 [mike_beganyi]

janina: COGA plans a relatively low profile, they did a lot last year and it was good

14:33:18 [sharon]

ack Matthew_Atkinson

14:33:28 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: link to APA wiki page. we need to fill that in as a TF.

14:34:25 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: our part is to decide who we're meeting with and presentation

14:35:23 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: do we need to request a meeting with WHATWG?

14:35:34 [mike_beganyi]

janina: as soon as we pass CR we will book a meeting with them

14:35:50 [mike_beganyi]

janina: all we need is a reserved prefix

14:37:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]

agenda?

14:37:19 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: for right now, no meetings, but we will think about it

14:37:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]

rrsagent, make minutes

14:37:22 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/16-personalization-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

14:37:46 [mike_beganyi]

zakim, next item

14:37:46 [Zakim]

agendum 5 -- Adapt chairs, approve the Roy PR regarding renaming specification docs from Personalization to Adapt (and adding the caption)

14:37:49 [Zakim]

... https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/205 -- taken up [from sharon]

14:38:51 [mike_beganyi]

Roy: can put render link in comments

14:38:58 [mike_beganyi]

janina: would be helpful as a common practice.

14:39:19 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: Lionel we need to make sure everything looks OK

14:39:36 [mike_beganyi]

janina: do an upated working draft with WAI-Adapt to move forward to CR

14:40:00 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: will merge when reviewed

14:41:13 [mike_beganyi]

zakim, next item

14:41:13 [Zakim]

agendum 6 -- PR status on issues 203 and 204 (merge) -  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/203,  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/204

14:41:17 [Zakim]

... -- taken up [from sharon]

14:41:44 [sharon]

https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/207

14:42:01 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: start with what Matthew worked on

14:42:37 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: 207, symbol examples. brief changes mentioned in PR notes.

14:42:51 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: changed cuptea.png cup.png instead, used symbol for cup

14:44:01 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: fixed indentation, kept example of conjugating agenda. changed rules in spec. allowed spaces around "+" symbol. not really going to work for parsing.

14:45:02 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: I see single values

14:45:37 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: will get Lisa to look at this anyway.

14:47:09 [mike_beganyi]

janina: this final resolution is that we need more eyes on this and that's what we get during CR

14:47:32 [mike_beganyi]

janina: questions about meaning should not prevent us from going to CR. will prevent us from going to PR if we don't remediate during CR

14:47:46 [mike_beganyi]

janina: I am not troubled by this. we've done the best we can and will solicit more feedback during CR

14:49:24 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: any thoughts on how I've marked up the "+" sign, Roy?

14:49:34 [mike_beganyi]

Roy: I think it's OK for you to fix that.

14:50:48 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: sounds like we've merged that, right

14:50:50 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: yes

14:50:59 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: Lisa can look during CR

14:51:36 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: looks like we merged 203 and 204. other things to do for those two issues?

14:51:53 [mike_beganyi]

janina: have to get back to James Craig. that was an action on me. would prefer to wait until after WD

14:52:51 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: PR from me. 206. talked about how we need to allay some fears about complication of rendering. did a PR to implement that issue so that it's in the same area of the document

14:54:52 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: reads Editor's Note

14:57:23 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: rest of examples in PRs. should we merge the editor's note?

14:57:29 [mike_beganyi]

janina: let's go ahead and merge it

14:59:03 [mike_beganyi]

sharon: link directly to this section so whoever wants to review can do so. then we decide about changes to be made, then we can make them

14:59:22 [mike_beganyi]

Matthew_Atkinson: gonna send a link for ease of discovery

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janina: James will get us a Safari implementation we hoep

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/16-personalization-minutes.html mike_beganyi

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