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13:36:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
13:36:36 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2022
13:36:50 <sharon> zakim, clear agenda
13:36:50 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:36:54 <sharon> agenda?
13:37:14 <sharon> chair: sharon
13:37:38 <sharon> agenda+ Announce that next meeting will be on IRC Channel 'adapt'
13:37:53 <sharon> agenda+ Inclusive Design 24 (Matthew)
13:38:24 <sharon> agenda+ APA Adapt announcement and messaging - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2022May/0002.html
13:38:36 <sharon> agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022 - Plan meetings; remind chairs to fill in the form before 31 May:   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/
13:38:53 <sharon> agenda+ Adapt chairs, approve the Roy PR regarding renaming specification docs from Personalization to Adapt (and adding the caption) https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/205
13:39:09 <sharon> agenda+ PR status on issues 203 and 204 (merge) -  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/203,  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/204
13:39:28 <sharon> agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status
13:39:46 <sharon> agenda+ Planning future COGA meetings on our other two modules
13:39:53 <sharon> agenda?
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14:00:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:00:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, who's here?
14:00:10 <Zakim> Present: Lionel_Wolberger, sharon, CharlesL, becky, Janina, janina_, Lisa, mike_beganyi, Matthew_Atkinson, Roy
14:00:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Matthew_Atkinson, janina, RRSAgent, sharon, Roy, MichaelC, hadleybeeman, Zakim, trackbot
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14:02:24 <mike_beganyi> present+
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14:02:41 <mike_beganyi> scribe: mike_beganyi
14:03:51 <CharlesL> present+
14:04:16 <mike_beganyi> zaki, next item
14:04:19 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:04:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announce that next meeting will be on IRC Channel 'adapt' -- taken up [from sharon]
14:04:42 <mike_beganyi> sharon: as of next week the IRC channel will be Adapt
14:04:53 <CharlesL> q+
14:04:58 <mike_beganyi> janina: page needs to be updated. that's for Roy
14:05:07 <mike_beganyi> sharon: Roy, can you update?
14:05:23 <mike_beganyi> Roy: I will update
14:05:43 <CharlesL> q?
14:06:00 <sharon> ack CharlesL
14:06:01 <mike_beganyi> CharlesL: also the mailing list has -personalization in it
14:06:41 <mike_beganyi> janina: will create a new archive. our Wiki will have to point out that we operated as Personalization. they're archived in a different place
14:07:32 <CharlesL> q+
14:07:39 <mike_beganyi> Roy: will need to confirm changing the e-mail
14:07:44 <sharon> ack CharlesL
14:08:01 <mike_beganyi> CharlesL: the changes to github, we'll be in our specs pointing to new repos on github, right?
14:08:21 <mike_beganyi> Roy: I think so. github will be changed by public list document
14:08:31 <mike_beganyi> Roy: will include all URL and feedback
14:08:44 <mike_beganyi> janina: update working draft with all changes then advance to CR
14:09:01 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:09:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Inclusive Design 24 (Matthew) -- taken up [from sharon]
14:10:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> Details: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2022May/0010.html
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14:10:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:10:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:10:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:11:05 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: widely known series of talks. they archive the videos. would be a good opportunity to let people know about what we're doing
14:11:45 <janina> q+
14:11:55 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: present 30 minutes of Adapt and/or some APA work (XR, CAPTCHA, maturity, etc.)
14:12:20 <sharon> ack janina
14:12:24 <mike_beganyi> janina: two questions. when's the conference?
14:12:31 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: 22nd of September I believe
14:12:40 <mike_beganyi> janina: what outcomes are we seeking?
14:13:10 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: help with wide review of Adapt and encourage implementation, general publicizing of work we're doing
14:13:41 <mike_beganyi> janina: is it typical for the conference to have prospective work? that's the stage we're in currently
14:14:48 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: timing is potentially difficult. up to them to decide whether it's worthwhile.
14:15:24 <sharon> q?
14:16:13 <mike_beganyi> janina: a little nervous about prospective versus the ability to implement after learning about it during the event
14:17:07 <mike_beganyi> q?
14:18:11 <mike_beganyi> sharon: anyone you could talk to with those questions in mind, Matthew? or propose and see if a presentation is accepted?
14:18:41 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: can always contact and ask if appropriate content. would need to decide whether we're going to go ahead with the content
14:20:12 <mike_beganyi> janina: seems like more of a general APA opportunity as opposed to Adapt in particular. need to consider the outcomes of the presentation and what we want from it
14:22:20 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: don't think an hour presentation is necessary
14:23:51 <mike_beganyi> janina: if purpose is to introduce people to APA/W3C and what our current work is, then it becomes at least an APA if not W3C/WAI presentation
14:24:05 <mike_beganyi> sharon: what to propose to move forward with this
14:24:16 <mike_beganyi> janina: need more concrete sense of outcomes and what the conference is
14:24:34 <mike_beganyi> janina: just unclear as to what we're presenting or leaving with after the presentation
14:27:38 <mike_beganyi> Lionel_Wolberger: could do an hour if we discuss other APA work (COGA, Pronunciation, Adapt)
14:28:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> Abstract from the site: Inclusive Design 24 (#id24) is a free 24-hour online event for the global community. It celebrates inclusive design and shares knowledge and ideas from analogue to digital, from design to development, from planners to practitioners, and everything and everyone in between.
14:29:28 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: will talk about this outside of this TF
14:29:37 <mike_beganyi> sharon: have you do that in APA call tomorrow
14:29:39 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:29:39 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- APA Adapt announcement and messaging - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2022May/0002.html -- taken up [from sharon]
14:30:52 <mike_beganyi> janina: I will look at it because we have a meeting that will include Shawn. want to get her involved sooner than later
14:31:16 <mike_beganyi> sharon: updating to Adapt, added the dates, updates from previous reviews, should be the same thing we reviewed before
14:31:54 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:31:54 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- TPAC 12-16 September 2022 - Plan meetings; remind chairs to fill in the form before 31 May:   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/ -- taken up [from
14:31:57 <Zakim> ... sharon]
14:32:10 <mike_beganyi> sharon: planning, form to be filled out
14:32:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> This is the page the TF needs to add to: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
14:32:36 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:32:45 <mike_beganyi> janina: Matthew and I will do that sometime between 18th and 25th. we need each TF to decide whether the TF wants to work together or take time during TPAC to work on something
14:33:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: COGA plans a relatively low profile, they did a lot last year and it was good
14:33:18 <sharon> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:33:28 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: link to APA wiki page. we need to fill that in as a TF.
14:34:25 <mike_beganyi> sharon: our part is to decide who we're meeting with and presentation
14:35:23 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: do we need to request a meeting with WHATWG?
14:35:34 <mike_beganyi> janina: as soon as we pass CR we will book a meeting with them
14:35:50 <mike_beganyi> janina: all we need is a reserved prefix
14:37:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:37:19 <mike_beganyi> sharon: for right now, no meetings, but we will think about it
14:37:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/16-personalization-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:37:46 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:37:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Adapt chairs, approve the Roy PR regarding renaming specification docs from Personalization to Adapt (and adding the caption)
14:37:49 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/205 -- taken up [from sharon]
14:38:51 <mike_beganyi> Roy: can put render link in comments
14:38:58 <mike_beganyi> janina: would be helpful as a common practice.
14:39:19 <mike_beganyi> sharon: Lionel we need to make sure everything looks OK
14:39:36 <mike_beganyi> janina: do an upated working draft with WAI-Adapt to move forward to CR
14:40:00 <mike_beganyi> sharon: will merge when reviewed
14:41:13 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:41:13 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- PR status on issues 203 and 204 (merge) -  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/203,  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/204
14:41:17 <Zakim> ... -- taken up [from sharon]
14:41:44 <sharon> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/207
14:42:01 <mike_beganyi> sharon: start with what Matthew worked on
14:42:37 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: 207, symbol examples. brief changes mentioned in PR notes.
14:42:51 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: changed cuptea.png cup.png instead, used symbol for cup
14:44:01 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: fixed indentation, kept example of conjugating agenda. changed rules in spec. allowed spaces around "+" symbol. not really going to work for parsing.
14:45:02 <mike_beganyi> sharon: I see single values
14:45:37 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: will get Lisa to look at this anyway.
14:47:09 <mike_beganyi> janina: this final resolution is that we need more eyes on this and that's what we get during CR
14:47:32 <mike_beganyi> janina: questions about meaning should not prevent us from going to CR. will prevent us from going to PR if we don't remediate during CR
14:47:46 <mike_beganyi> janina: I am not troubled by this. we've done the best we can and will solicit more feedback during CR
14:49:24 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: any thoughts on how I've marked up the "+" sign, Roy?
14:49:34 <mike_beganyi> Roy: I think it's OK for you to fix that.
14:50:48 <mike_beganyi> sharon: sounds like we've merged that, right
14:50:50 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: yes
14:50:59 <mike_beganyi> sharon: Lisa can look during CR
14:51:36 <mike_beganyi> sharon: looks like we merged 203 and 204. other things to do for those two issues?
14:51:53 <mike_beganyi> janina: have to get back to James Craig. that was an action on me. would prefer to wait until after WD
14:52:51 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: PR from me. 206. talked about how we need to allay some fears about complication of rendering. did a PR to implement that issue so that it's in the same area of the document
14:54:52 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: reads Editor's Note
14:57:23 <mike_beganyi> sharon: rest of examples in PRs. should we merge the editor's note?
14:57:29 <mike_beganyi> janina: let's go ahead and merge it
14:59:03 <mike_beganyi> sharon: link directly to this section so whoever wants to review can do so. then we decide about changes to be made, then we can make them
14:59:22 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: gonna send a link for ease of discovery
15:00:38 <mike_beganyi> janina: James will get us a Safari implementation we hoep
15:01:13 <mike_beganyi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/16-personalization-minutes.html mike_beganyi
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