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13:29:49 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:31:56 <jeanne> agenda+ Upcoming AG surveys - Chartering & WCAG2ICT
13:32:01 <jeanne> agenda?
13:32:20 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
13:32:20 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:32:37 <jeanne> agenda+  Upcoming AG surveys - Chartering & WCAG2ICT
13:32:46 <jeanne> agenda+ Review next steps after this migration exercise
13:32:46 <jeanne> agenda+ Continuation of guidelines breakdown
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13:52:37 <Lauriat> agenda?
13:52:44 <Lauriat> Present+
13:56:05 <jeanne> regrets+ Azlan, Todd, Wilco
13:56:11 <janina> present+
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14:03:08 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, Jeanne
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14:03:10 <sarahhorton> present+
14:03:13 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
14:03:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/13-silver-minutes.html jeanne
14:03:18 <Makoto> present+
14:03:39 <Rachael> present+
14:04:57 <MichaelC> present+
14:07:10 <jenniferS> scribe: jenniferS
14:07:20 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
14:07:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Upcoming AG surveys - Chartering & WCAG2ICT -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:07:56 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter-approach-reasons/ <- AG Survey on WCAG3 chartering
14:08:04 <kirkwood> present+
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14:08:54 <jeanne> WCAG2ICT -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG2ICTV2/
14:09:45 <Rachael> q+
14:09:59 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:11:02 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:11:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review next steps after this migration exercise -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:11:52 <jenniferS> Next, we want to collect all the work that's been done in this new databased.
14:12:16 <jenniferS> To help others understand why we're doing this and what will be done with the info…
14:12:26 <jenniferS> Rachael created a document to clarify.
14:12:27 <jeanne> Next Steps -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QhU6j435y1dltcw8GhlVnqhsOm_xJSMf5NP2x88MVDA/edit
14:12:34 <Rachael> https://www.notion.so/nomensa/WCAG-3-categorisation-613ef7d7b6fb4c4788e1522fd9d8403c
14:12:41 <jenniferS> This is the chairs work.
14:13:05 <jenniferS> To begin with, there is a Notion table that we are collecting the different work into a single place so we can work on the content./
14:13:32 <jenniferS> It is not a fully accessible tool, but we can export to accessible formats. My sincere apologies that we are using something that is not fully accessible.
14:14:11 <jenniferS> The purpose is to ask the question: can we meet the requirements for WCAG3 - particularly expanding the scope to support more categories of disability that also meets the integrator reliability to meet the needs of a standard that is adopted worldwide?
14:14:29 <jenniferS> As texts become more contextual, result in more inter-… 'missed this'
14:14:54 <jenniferS> Instead of comparing results, we're at the most subjective point — we're testing information, i.e., they said they tested X.
14:15:16 <Rachael> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QhU6j435y1dltcw8GhlVnqhsOm_xJSMf5NP2x88MVDA/edit
14:16:32 <jenniferS> This is exploratory work.
14:16:46 <jenniferS> A lot of things are coming out of this work - i.e. functional needs categories.
14:16:54 <jenniferS> We should see this as non-final work.
14:17:04 <jenniferS> We'll go through the list and identify gaps.
14:17:21 <jenniferS> We'll compare the objective tests with ACT, then the conditional level…
14:17:37 <jenniferS> Then we'll reorganize the information to reduce overlaps.
14:17:47 <jenniferS> Then we'll update the guideline level, and have a list of guidelines.
14:17:52 <jenniferS> Then we'll revise the schedule…
14:17:57 <jenniferS> Then, update the methods.
14:18:08 <jenniferS> Then how we integrate into the silver process as a whole.
14:18:19 <jenniferS> Then hopefully we'll discuss the results and revising.
14:18:37 <jenniferS> Trying to figure out the categorization of guidelines through a number of methods that will match up.
14:18:56 <jenniferS> We're doing different exercises over time… in the hopes of getting to a categorization over time.
14:19:15 <jenniferS> q+
14:19:21 <kirkwood> present+
14:22:28 <Lauriat> ack jenniferS
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14:23:11 <sarahhorton_> q+
14:23:19 <Rachael> q+
14:23:42 <jenniferS> ack sarahhorton_
14:24:00 <jenniferS> similarly, I want to bookmark a ppl things. I think this is a good exercise.
14:24:22 <jenniferS> there are things we bookmarked before, i.e., the initial plan to start from user needs & evolve from those.
14:24:30 <jenniferS> that was really good as a content dev process
14:24:54 <jenniferS> additionally, we were not migrating WCAG2 to 3, and this feels very "migraty"
14:25:14 <jenniferS> naturally there are needs we will need to bring forward, there's also a focus on test-ability…
14:25:48 <jenniferS> also, really want to focus on learn-ability, that people can get it right in the first place, so we don't forget on these things that are in the design documents.
14:25:53 <jenniferS> just want to make sure they remain there.
14:26:27 <jenniferS> Jeanne: to speak to that, we are the opposite of trying to focus on objective tests — we've added 3 more test categories,
14:26:36 <Lauriat> qv?
14:26:44 <jenniferS> more subjective categories; how what currently exists fits
14:27:23 <jenniferS> a lot of what's happened is breaking down current sc so we can mix and match; more of a research than design exercise.
14:28:12 <jenniferS> ack Rachael
14:28:42 <jenniferS> Rachael: I was trying to capture that, we're taking many approaches to the question. the guidelines that come out of this are not intended to be "the end."
14:29:00 <jenniferS> the existing silver process has been excellent, we're looking to extend and evolve
14:29:12 <jenniferS> "we need to think of this as play" trying new things
14:29:44 <jenniferS> I'm pushing hard to document the two different ways (in protocols) so that we can play and not lose ideas, so we can come back together.
14:30:23 <jenniferS> it will take time for our group to do that
14:30:51 <jenniferS> helping all realize that we can do this safely, heal history in the group
14:31:01 <jenniferS> Jeanne: moving forward so we can get some work done
14:31:12 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:31:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Continuation of guidelines breakdown -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:31:36 <jenniferS> First, the ppl working on interruptions - are you finished or want another mtg?
14:31:47 <jenniferS> Rachael & Janina: I think we're finished.
14:31:56 <jeanne> spreadsheet of status of success criteria -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
14:31:57 <jenniferS> Jeanne: xclnt, here's a list of…
14:32:18 <jenniferS> what we're working on & what's done.
14:32:26 <jenniferS> pick or propose one?
14:32:31 <jenniferS> group 2 input purpose?
14:32:37 <jenniferS> anyone from that group here?
14:32:46 <jenniferS> or maybe it was identify purpose?
14:32:59 <jenniferS> I looked at it, and noticed some items weren't complete.
14:33:05 <jenniferS> anyone here that worked on that?
14:33:14 <jenniferS> anyone on this call that would like to work on it and finish it?
14:33:49 <jenniferS> and then the 3rd group,
14:34:20 <jenniferS> Makoto: I think it was abbreviation
14:34:24 <Makoto> Abbreviations: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14CBwo74SrVkwinN5YWeKIjLqvr1K7cNX9CulXwbFIUM/edit
14:34:36 <jenniferS> Jeanne: thank you, Makoto! And thank you for the ones that you did as a self-exercise!
14:34:53 <jenniferS> Makoto: for abbreviations I made some suggestions, and I would like for you to check it out.
14:35:19 <jenniferS> Sarah: could we work on one together since we're a small group?
14:35:30 <jenniferS> Jeanne: Makoto, why don't you show us what you've done?
14:35:52 <jenniferS> Makoto: I added two sub-groups: mechanism for XXXXX and one for meaning (I think?)
14:36:03 <jenniferS> I'd like someone to take a look & see if it is good enough.
14:36:08 <jeanne> Abbreviations -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14CBwo74SrVkwinN5YWeKIjLqvr1K7cNX9CulXwbFIUM/edit
14:37:03 <jeanne> s/XXXXX/"just in time"
14:40:45 <jeanne> [group reviews Makoto's work on Abbreviations]
14:41:03 <jeanne> Sarah: What constitues a sub-guideline?
14:44:03 <Rachael> q+
14:44:46 <Rachael> Break a guideline apart when it is at a different level of thing, when it has a different grouping of user needs, when it at a different level of subjectivity
14:46:40 <Makoto> s/sub-groups/sub guidelines
14:50:38 <jeanne> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
14:51:07 <jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGGgqgeL779aJu7iNuXQMHgJygV7l6GouM7--5ABJ5U/ -> template
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