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15:43:12 <janina> Meeting: Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
15:43:21 <janina> Date 12 May 2022
15:43:25 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:43:31 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
15:43:34 <janina> agenda?
15:43:37 <janina> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Administrative Items
15:43:37 <janina> agenda+ Continued Discussion https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/use-cases-apr22-js/use-cases/index.html
15:43:40 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:43:42 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
15:43:59 <janina>  rrsagent, make minutes
15:43:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-silver-conf-minutes.html janina
15:49:18 <janina> present+
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15:55:01 <jeanne> agenda?
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16:08:09 <shadi> present+
16:08:34 <Azlan> present+
16:08:42 <Azlan> scribe+ Azlan
16:09:01 <GreggVan> present+
16:10:16 <Azlan> zakim, take up item 1
16:10:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Administrative Items -- taken up [from janina]
16:10:24 <maryjom> present+
16:10:29 <GreggVan> q+
16:10:35 <jeanne> present+
16:11:03 <Azlan> ack GreggVan
16:11:05 <janina> ack gr
16:11:51 <Azlan> GreggVan: have pulled the document into a Word doc and will share his updates
16:13:08 <Azlan> zakim, next item
16:13:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Continued Discussion https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/use-cases-apr22-js/use-cases/index.html -- taken up [from janina]
16:13:44 <Azlan> jeanne: Have made the changes requested 28th April
16:13:54 <jeanne> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/silver/use-cases-apr22-js/use-cases/index.html#situation-3
16:15:36 <GreggVan> +1
16:15:40 <janina> q?
16:16:50 <GreggVan> q+
16:18:07 <Azlan> ack GreggVan
16:18:52 <Azlan> GreggVan: Clarifying with "normative" is a good improvement to technical standards on example 3.1
16:22:05 <Azlan> jeanne: [continues to read through the amendments as requested 28th April]
16:23:32 <Azlan> GreggVan: all steps in the process should be accessible not just the submit part
16:24:08 <Azlan> suggest referencing WCAG 2.1 & 2.2 for word-smithing
16:25:45 <Azlan> jeanne: WIll make it clearer that all steps in the process must be accessible
16:30:24 <GreggVan> q+
16:36:34 <Azlan> ack GreggVan
16:39:27 <janina> q?
16:40:59 <maryjom> q+
16:41:07 <Azlan> shadi: Commenting on Jeanne's amendments. With regards to critical errors are we getting too detailed? What is the right balance for level of detail?
16:41:18 <janina> ack ma
16:41:23 <Azlan> ack maryjom
16:42:12 <Azlan> Agrees that a generic statement and letting the group work out the specifics can be better.
16:43:11 <Azlan> janina: we will have to carefully consider that over time and across different disability perspectives
16:43:31 <Azlan> maryjom: Exactly - being more generic might be more helpful at this point
16:43:48 <janina> q?
16:43:49 <Azlan> janina: Examples rather than an exhaustive list
16:44:13 <Azlan> GreggVan: Suggests "a few of the many examples..."
16:44:54 <Azlan> topic: greggvan comments on use cases document
16:45:19 <janina> q?
16:47:58 <Azlan> addition of "equivalent facilitation and limitations on application" to the problem statement
16:50:28 <janina> q?
16:51:02 <Azlan> also "... more technical in nature and can and should be addressed in WGAC and need to be addressed by policy/regulation setters or others..."
16:53:02 <Azlan> Under approach and structure addition of " ...but not limited to..."
16:53:10 <janina> q?
16:53:44 <jeanne> q+ to talk about database
16:54:03 <Azlan> "How accompanying guidance" amended to How guidance documents that accompany technical standards...(including advice to policy setting bodies)"
16:54:09 <janina> ack jea
16:54:09 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to talk about database
16:54:09 <Azlan> ack jeanne
16:54:58 <Azlan> jeanne: minor point to keep in mind the direction we want to put informative and normative into the database to be able to bring it all up together
16:55:43 <Azlan> GreggVan: thats great but a tool which cannot be the standard. will update to include "tools" as well as documents
16:59:13 <Azlan> Key Terminology: first bullet point added "directly" to read "providing content dorectly to others"
17:00:26 <Azlan> Under example 1.2 deleted all except the last bullet of How technical standards might contribute to addressing this situation
17:01:02 <Azlan> To resume this topic next week
17:01:23 <Azlan> zakim, bye
17:01:23 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, shadi, Azlan, GreggVan, maryjom, jeanne
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17:01:44 <Azlan> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-silver-conf-minutes.html Azlan
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