IRC log of i18n on 2022-05-12
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 12 May 2022
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/83b1d2d3-7389-437a-b0d5-32441827a9a3/20220512T150000
- 13:38:50 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
- 13:38:50 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Agenda Review
- 13:38:50 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Action Items
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- agenda+ Info Share
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- agenda+ RADAR Review
- 13:38:57 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Pending Issue Review
- 13:39:00 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Pull-Request on specdev
- 13:39:02 [agendabot]
- agenda+ DOMException localizability
- 13:39:04 [agendabot]
- agenda+ String-Meta progress
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- agenda+ AOB?
- 13:41:03 [addison]
- agenda+ Personalization
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- agenda+ WSGL identifier comparison
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- present+
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- present+ David, Atsushi
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- present+ Richard
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- present+ JcK
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- present+ Fuqiao
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- present+ Erik
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- present+ Bert
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- agenda?
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- present+ Felix
- 14:05:56 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
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- scribe: xfq
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:06:29 [addison]
- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
- 14:06:52 [JcK]
- Richard: thanks. I've already beaten the current crew up with most of that
- 14:07:02 [xfq]
- addison: I've started to work on the timezone note
- 14:07:23 [xfq]
- ... I think I want to retire the time zone proposal action item
- 14:07:49 [xfq]
- ... will work on backwards deletion soon
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- close ACTION-437
- 14:08:14 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-437.
- 14:09:13 [xfq]
- close ACTION-1140
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- Closed ACTION-1140.
- 14:09:56 [xfq]
- Bert: Proposed text with r12a, haven't responded to issue #996 yet
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- close ACTION-1143
- 14:10:11 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-1143.
- 14:10:29 [xfq]
- close ACTION-1144
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- Closed ACTION-1144.
- 14:10:31 [r12a]
- close ACTION-1142
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- Closed ACTION-1142.
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- close ACTION-1145
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- Closed ACTION-1145.
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- close ACTION-1146
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- Closed ACTION-1146.
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- close ACTION-1147
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- Closed ACTION-1147.
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- close ACTION-1148
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- Closed ACTION-1148.
- 14:11:51 [r12a]
- https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/techniques/shortchecklist
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- close ACTION-1149
- 14:11:56 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-1149.
- 14:12:08 [xfq]
- close ACTION-1150
- 14:12:09 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-1150.
- 14:12:20 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 14:12:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:12:26 [xfq]
- q+
- 14:13:03 [xfq]
- r12a: I was a little concerned because our meeting agenda will go to the public list instead of the member list
- 14:13:15 [xfq]
- ... I sent an email to vivien
- 14:13:31 [xfq]
- ... he said the public list is db-backed
- 14:14:19 [xfq]
- ... Mark Davis is on the member list but not the public list, but I suspect that's because he's one of the people who don't want to received lots of emails
- 14:14:48 [xfq]
- ... there's no way to change where the agenda should go to
- 14:15:26 [xfq]
- ... if we want to schedule something we don't want other people to know about, and we dont' want to send it to public, but that doesn't seem to occur anyway
- 14:15:41 [xfq]
- ... so i don't think there's any way we can do anything
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- addison: the public list gets all of our digest
- 14:16:34 [xfq]
- r12a: all of our actions also go to the public list anyway
- 14:16:48 [r12a]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/
- 14:16:54 [xfq]
- ... i'm looking at the member list, not a lot of things other than agenda+
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- ... and regrets
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- r12a: the public list doesn't have more subscribers than the member list
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- ... the subscribers are mostly the same
- 14:18:45 [xfq]
- ... there isn't really anything we can do about it
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- ... the only thing we can do is to use the member list less
- 14:19:04 [xfq]
- ack me
- 14:19:18 [xfq]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/
- 14:20:19 [xfq]
- xfq: we'd like the Groups to answer the survey on Group attendance at TPAC by the end of this month
- 14:21:00 [addison]
- action: addison: fill in TPAC logistics survey
- 14:21:00 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1151 - Fill in tpac logistics survey [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-05-19].
- 14:21:21 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/TPAC2022-Health-rules
- 14:21:49 [xfq]
- xfq: health rules ^
- 14:22:38 [addison]
- agenda?
- 14:23:14 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:23:21 [xfq]
- r12a: I got an email from @@ about all kinds of counter styles
- 14:23:22 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
- 14:23:48 [xfq]
- xfq: two incoming requests
- 14:24:13 [xfq]
- s/xfq:/addison:/
- 14:25:04 [xfq]
- addison: Web Neural Network API and MiniApp Lifecycle
- 14:25:53 [xfq]
- ... atsushi to review WebNN
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- ... addison and Bert to review MiniApp Lifecycle
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- atsushi: did not find anything else except the existing pending issues
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- addison: any objections on moving CSS Custom Highlight API Module Level 1 to completed?
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- [silence]
- 14:27:56 [addison]
- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 10
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- agendum 10 -- Personalization -- taken up [from addison]
- 14:29:23 [addison]
- scribe+
- 14:29:29 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/s%3Apersonalization-semantics-content
- 14:29:36 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/878
- 14:29:44 [addison]
- fuqiao: they are moving towards CR
- 14:29:58 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/141
- 14:30:09 [addison]
- ... all four issues raised by addison
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- ... they closed this issue, believe it is fixed
- 14:30:20 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144
- 14:30:50 [addison]
- ... can close
- 14:30:55 [addison]
- addison: no objection
- 14:31:03 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/876
- 14:32:31 [addison]
- (close, recycle)
- 14:32:34 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/874
- 14:34:51 [xfq]
- https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/#values-1
- 14:35:18 [addison]
- addison: they are duplicating a list from html, others have also
- 14:37:24 [xfq]
- David: I think it's bad form but sometimes people need to say "exactly this" like WCAG x.x or HTML x.x
- 14:37:26 [addison]
- David: also think it is bad form, but working in an environment where required to do "exactly X"
- 14:39:14 [xfq]
- addison: any objections on accepting this?
- 14:39:29 [xfq]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/873
- 14:40:38 [xfq]
- xfq: close this
- 14:40:49 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 11
- 14:40:49 [Zakim]
- agendum 11 -- WSGL identifier comparison -- taken up [from addison]
- 14:40:57 [xfq]
- https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/2828
- 14:41:07 [xfq]
- https://gpuweb.github.io/gpuweb/wgsl/#identifier-comparison
- 14:41:37 [addison]
- fuqiao: they already copied our green box from specdev
- 14:41:43 [addison]
- ... that lgtm
- 14:41:53 [addison]
- ... the other is to use 'idential to' or 'is' from Infra
- 14:42:11 [addison]
- ... but they chose not to use deliberately because Infra uses code units
- 14:42:16 [addison]
- ... but they want to use code points
- 14:43:04 [addison]
- addison: effectively the same thing
- 14:43:23 [xfq]
- Two WGSL identifiers are the same if and only if they consist of the same sequence of code points.
- 14:44:21 [xfq]
- addison: the second note is still kind of scary
- 14:44:57 [xfq]
- r12a: it's in a note so I'm assuming this is just a suggestion
- 14:45:20 [xfq]
- addison: their definition of homographs is weird
- 14:45:47 [xfq]
- ... i think they need to say something like visually the same or visually confusable
- 14:46:19 [xfq]
- r12a: but i think that might be a separate issue
- 14:46:21 [xfq]
- addison: could be
- 14:47:18 [xfq]
- addison: are we good?
- 14:47:49 [xfq]
- xfq: for this issue we are satisfied and can close the tracker, right?
- 14:47:52 [xfq]
- addison: yeah
- 14:47:55 [addison]
- agenda?
- 14:48:08 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 6
- 14:48:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 -- Pull-Request on specdev -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:48:23 [addison]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2022May/0002.html
- 14:48:32 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/65
- 14:48:47 [xfq]
- addison: thank you for your suggestions, r12a
- 14:48:53 [xfq]
- ... they're very helpful
- 14:49:59 [xfq]
- r12a: had to retrofit all of your changes to the new version
- 14:50:16 [xfq]
- addison: any objections on the changes I made?
- 14:50:19 [xfq]
- [silence]
- 14:50:56 [addison]
- agenda?
- 14:51:08 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 7
- 14:51:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 7 -- DOMException localizability -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:51:34 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
- 14:51:43 [r12a]
- agenda+ Changes to specdev checklists
- 14:51:51 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 12
- 14:51:51 [Zakim]
- agendum 12 -- Changes to specdev checklists -- taken up [from r12a]
- 14:51:56 [r12a]
- https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#ghChecklist
- 14:52:22 [xfq]
- [r12a shares his screen]
- 14:52:49 [xfq]
- r12a: i made big changes to the specdev checklist
- 14:52:52 [xfq]
- ... for three reasons
- 14:53:02 [xfq]
- ... 1. the checklist is too long
- 14:53:10 [xfq]
- ... need a more effcient way
- 14:53:34 [xfq]
- ... basically what they say to do a checklist, you go to the section which is relevant
- 14:53:55 [xfq]
- ... most of the specs are relevant to language and direction but nothing else
- 14:54:19 [xfq]
- ... before we had to click all the section headings
- 14:54:29 [xfq]
- ... now we need only click once
- 14:55:22 [xfq]
- ... you don't have to click on two checkboxes, you only need to click the second one if it's relevant and you have fixed it
- 14:55:57 [xfq]
- ... we can get away from the wiki
- 14:56:19 [xfq]
- ... we can do a short checklist and a long checklist in a github issue
- 14:56:35 [xfq]
- ... all on the same page now
- 14:57:18 [xfq]
- ... you couldn't change check marks on the wiki
- 14:57:25 [Bert]
- q+ to suggest that the ‘generate markup’ button can be replaced with an automatically updating function.
- 14:58:16 [xfq]
- David: language and direction are pretty much relevant to every spec and we can make it checked by default
- 14:58:24 [xfq]
- r12a: ok, thank you
- 14:58:58 [xfq]
- ... it's actually less work than before
- 14:59:24 [xfq]
- ... previously you couldn't see the wood for the trees
- 14:59:53 [xfq]
- ... the short list says "also check the long list"
- 15:00:04 [xfq]
- addison: we're doing away from the short checklist?
- 15:00:06 [xfq]
- r12a: no
- 15:00:44 [xfq]
- ... you go through the short checklist to find which is relevant
- 15:00:58 [xfq]
- ... then you go through the long checklist to check the details
- 15:01:28 [xfq]
- addison: I think the short checklist doesn't refer to every section in specdev
- 15:01:30 [xfq]
- r12a: yes
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- ... because it's short
- 15:02:31 [xfq]
- Bert: the button that generates the markdown
- 15:02:44 [xfq]
- ... why not generate the button automatically?
- 15:02:46 [xfq]
- ack bert
- 15:02:46 [Zakim]
- Bert, you wanted to suggest that the ‘generate markup’ button can be replaced with an automatically updating function.
- 15:03:01 [xfq]
- r12a: yes
- 15:03:44 [xfq]
- Bert: people might forget to click the button again after changing the checkboxes
- 15:06:09 [xfq]
- r12a: i'm starting to think maybe we should start copying the character model to specdev
- 15:07:07 [Bert]
- (Not a fan of pages opening in a new tab/window, unless I do that myself with a right-click. I often do not notice that a tab opened and then get confused why the back button doesn't work...)
- 15:08:34 [xfq]
- r12a: will do experiment on section 4.1
- 15:08:49 [xfq]
- addison: charmod has grown old
- 15:09:32 [addison]
- agenda?
- 15:09:39 [xfq]
- r12a: readability improvement and the opportunity to update the information
- 15:09:51 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 9
- 15:09:51 [Zakim]
- agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:10:00 [xfq]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:10:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
- 15:11:08 [addison]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:11:08 [Zakim]
- Present: addison, David, Atsushi, Richard, JcK, Fuqiao, Erik, Bert, Felix
- 15:11:10 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see fsasaki, nordzilla, JcK, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, bigbluehat, fantasai, csarven, agendabot, Mek, koji, hsivonen, eemeli, astearns, Bert,
- 15:11:10 [Zakim]
- ... florian, sangwhan, cwilso, hadleybeeman, trackbot
- 15:11:26 [addison]
- zakim, bye
- 15:11:26 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been addison, David, Atsushi, Richard, JcK, Fuqiao, Erik, Bert, Felix
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