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13:38:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:38:50 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2022
13:38:50 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/83b1d2d3-7389-437a-b0d5-32441827a9a3/20220512T150000
13:38:50 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:38:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:38:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:38:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:38:55 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:38:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:39:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Pull-Request on specdev
13:39:02 <agendabot> agenda+ DOMException localizability
13:39:04 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta progress
13:39:07 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:41:03 <addison> agenda+ Personalization
13:41:16 <addison> agenda+ WSGL identifier comparison
13:41:24 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:41:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-i18n-minutes.html addison
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13:56:42 <addison> present+
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13:59:37 <addison> present+ David, Atsushi
13:59:49 <addison> present+ Richard
14:00:58 <addison> present+ JcK
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14:03:20 <addison> present+ Bert
14:04:59 <addison> agenda?
14:05:24 <addison> present+ Felix
14:05:56 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:57 <xfq> scribe: xfq
14:06:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:29 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:52 <JcK> Richard: thanks.  I've already beaten the current crew up with most of that
14:07:02 <xfq> addison: I've started to work on the timezone note
14:07:23 <xfq> ... I think I want to retire the time zone proposal action item
14:07:49 <xfq> ... will work on backwards deletion soon
14:08:14 <xfq> close ACTION-437
14:08:14 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-437.
14:09:13 <xfq> close ACTION-1140
14:09:13 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1140.
14:09:56 <xfq> Bert: Proposed text with r12a, haven't responded to issue #996	 yet
14:10:11 <xfq> close ACTION-1143
14:10:11 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1143.
14:10:29 <xfq> close ACTION-1144
14:10:29 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1144.
14:10:31 <r12a> close ACTION-1142
14:10:31 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1142.
14:10:35 <xfq> close ACTION-1145
14:10:35 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1145.
14:10:52 <xfq> close ACTION-1146
14:10:52 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1146.
14:11:12 <xfq> close ACTION-1147
14:11:12 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1147.
14:11:46 <xfq> close ACTION-1148
14:11:46 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1148.
14:11:51 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/techniques/shortchecklist
14:11:56 <xfq> close ACTION-1149
14:11:56 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1149.
14:12:08 <xfq> close ACTION-1150
14:12:09 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1150.
14:12:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:12:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:26 <xfq> q+
14:13:03 <xfq> r12a: I was a little concerned because our meeting agenda will go to the public list instead of the member list
14:13:15 <xfq> ... I sent an email to vivien
14:13:31 <xfq> ... he said the public list is db-backed
14:14:19 <xfq> ... Mark Davis is on the member list but not the public list, but I suspect that's because he's one of the people who don't want to received lots of emails
14:14:48 <xfq> ... there's no way to change where the agenda should go to
14:15:26 <xfq> ... if we want to schedule something we don't want other people to know about, and we dont' want to send it to public, but that doesn't seem to occur anyway
14:15:41 <xfq> ... so i don't think there's any way we can do anything
14:15:55 <xfq> addison: the public list gets all of our digest
14:16:34 <xfq> r12a: all of our actions also go to the public list anyway
14:16:48 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/
14:16:54 <xfq> ... i'm looking at the member list, not a lot of things other than agenda+
14:17:02 <xfq> ... and regrets
14:18:02 <xfq> r12a: the public list doesn't have more subscribers than the member list
14:18:14 <xfq> ... the subscribers are mostly the same
14:18:45 <xfq> ... there isn't really anything we can do about it
14:18:56 <xfq> ... the only thing we can do is to use the member list less
14:19:04 <xfq> ack me
14:19:18 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/
14:20:19 <xfq> xfq: we'd like the Groups to answer the survey on Group attendance at TPAC by the end of this month
14:21:00 <addison> action: addison: fill in TPAC logistics survey
14:21:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1151 - Fill in tpac logistics survey [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-05-19].
14:21:21 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/TPAC2022-Health-rules
14:21:49 <xfq> xfq: health rules ^
14:22:38 <addison> agenda?
14:23:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:23:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:23:21 <xfq> r12a: I got an email from @@ about all kinds of counter styles
14:23:22 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:23:48 <xfq> xfq: two incoming requests
14:24:13 <xfq> s/xfq:/addison:/
14:25:04 <xfq> addison: Web Neural Network API and MiniApp Lifecycle
14:25:53 <xfq> ... atsushi to review WebNN
14:26:02 <xfq> ... addison and Bert to review MiniApp Lifecycle
14:27:06 <xfq> atsushi: did not find anything else except the existing pending issues
14:27:39 <xfq> addison: any objections on moving CSS Custom Highlight API Module Level 1 to completed?
14:27:45 <xfq> [silence]
14:27:56 <addison> agenda?
14:29:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:29:16 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Personalization -- taken up [from addison]
14:29:23 <addison> scribe+
14:29:29 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/s%3Apersonalization-semantics-content
14:29:36 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/878
14:29:44 <addison> fuqiao: they are moving towards CR
14:29:58 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/141
14:30:09 <addison> ... all four issues raised by addison
14:30:20 <addison> ... they closed this issue, believe it is fixed
14:30:20 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144
14:30:50 <addison> ... can close
14:30:55 <addison> addison: no objection
14:31:03 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/876
14:32:31 <addison> (close, recycle)
14:32:34 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/874
14:34:51 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/#values-1
14:35:18 <addison> addison: they are duplicating a list from html, others have also
14:37:24 <xfq> David: I think it's bad form but sometimes people need to say "exactly this" like WCAG x.x or HTML x.x
14:37:26 <addison> David: also think it is bad form, but working in an environment where required to do "exactly X"
14:39:14 <xfq> addison: any objections on accepting this?
14:39:29 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/873
14:40:38 <xfq> xfq: close this
14:40:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
14:40:49 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- WSGL identifier comparison -- taken up [from addison]
14:40:57 <xfq> https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/2828
14:41:07 <xfq> https://gpuweb.github.io/gpuweb/wgsl/#identifier-comparison
14:41:37 <addison> fuqiao: they already copied our green box from specdev
14:41:43 <addison> ... that lgtm
14:41:53 <addison> ... the other is to use 'idential to' or 'is' from Infra
14:42:11 <addison> ... but they chose not to use deliberately because Infra uses code units
14:42:16 <addison> ... but they want to use code points
14:43:04 <addison> addison: effectively the same thing
14:43:23 <xfq> Two WGSL identifiers are the same if and only if they consist of the same sequence of code points.
14:44:21 <xfq> addison: the second note is still kind of scary
14:44:57 <xfq> r12a: it's in a note so I'm assuming this is just a suggestion
14:45:20 <xfq> addison: their definition of homographs is weird
14:45:47 <xfq> ... i think they need to say something like visually the same or visually confusable
14:46:19 <xfq> r12a: but i think that might be a separate issue
14:46:21 <xfq> addison: could be
14:47:18 <xfq> addison: are we good?
14:47:49 <xfq> xfq: for this issue we are satisfied and can close the tracker, right?
14:47:52 <xfq> addison: yeah
14:47:55 <addison> agenda?
14:48:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:48:08 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Pull-Request on specdev -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:48:23 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2022May/0002.html
14:48:32 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/65
14:48:47 <xfq> addison: thank you for your suggestions, r12a
14:48:53 <xfq> ... they're very helpful
14:49:59 <xfq> r12a: had to retrofit all of your changes to the new version
14:50:16 <xfq> addison: any objections on the changes I made?
14:50:19 <xfq> [silence]
14:50:56 <addison> agenda?
14:51:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:51:08 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- DOMException localizability -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:51:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:51:43 <r12a> agenda+ Changes to specdev checklists
14:51:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 12
14:51:51 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Changes to specdev checklists -- taken up [from r12a]
14:51:56 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#ghChecklist
14:52:22 <xfq> [r12a shares his screen]
14:52:49 <xfq> r12a: i made big changes to the specdev checklist
14:52:52 <xfq> ... for three reasons
14:53:02 <xfq> ... 1. the checklist is too long
14:53:10 <xfq> ... need a more effcient way
14:53:34 <xfq> ... basically what they say to do a checklist, you go to the section which is relevant
14:53:55 <xfq> ... most of the specs are relevant to language and direction but nothing else
14:54:19 <xfq> ... before we had to click all the section headings
14:54:29 <xfq> ... now we need only click once
14:55:22 <xfq> ... you don't have to click on two checkboxes, you only need to click the second one if it's relevant and you have fixed it
14:55:57 <xfq> ... we can get away from the wiki
14:56:19 <xfq> ... we can do a short checklist and a long checklist in a github issue
14:56:35 <xfq> ... all on the same page now
14:57:18 <xfq> ... you couldn't change check marks on the wiki
14:57:25 <Bert> q+ to suggest that the ‘generate markup’ button can be replaced with an automatically updating function.
14:58:16 <xfq> David: language and direction are pretty much relevant to every spec and we can make it checked by default
14:58:24 <xfq> r12a: ok, thank you
14:58:58 <xfq> ... it's actually less work than before
14:59:24 <xfq> ... previously you couldn't see the wood for the trees
14:59:53 <xfq> ... the short list says "also check the long list"
15:00:04 <xfq> addison: we're doing away from the short checklist?
15:00:06 <xfq> r12a: no
15:00:44 <xfq> ... you go through the short checklist to find which is relevant
15:00:58 <xfq> ... then you go through the long checklist to check the details
15:01:28 <xfq> addison: I think the short checklist doesn't refer to every section in specdev
15:01:30 <xfq> r12a: yes
15:02:05 <xfq> ... because it's short
15:02:31 <xfq> Bert: the button that generates the markdown
15:02:44 <xfq> ... why not generate the button automatically?
15:02:46 <xfq> ack bert
15:02:46 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to suggest that the ‘generate markup’ button can be replaced with an automatically updating function.
15:03:01 <xfq> r12a: yes
15:03:44 <xfq> Bert: people might forget to click the button again after changing the checkboxes
15:06:09 <xfq> r12a: i'm starting to think maybe we should start copying the character model to specdev
15:07:07 <Bert> (Not a fan of pages opening in a new tab/window, unless I do that myself with a right-click. I often do not notice that a tab opened and then get confused why the back button doesn't work...)
15:08:34 <xfq> r12a: will do experiment on section 4.1
15:08:49 <xfq> addison: charmod has grown old
15:09:32 <addison> agenda?
15:09:39 <xfq> r12a: readability improvement and the opportunity to update the information
15:09:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:09:51 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:10:00 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:11:08 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:11:08 <Zakim> Present: addison, David, Atsushi, Richard, JcK, Fuqiao, Erik, Bert, Felix
15:11:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, nordzilla, JcK, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, bigbluehat, fantasai, csarven, agendabot, Mek, koji, hsivonen, eemeli, astearns, Bert,
15:11:10 <Zakim> ... florian, sangwhan, cwilso, hadleybeeman, trackbot
15:11:26 <addison> zakim, bye
15:11:26 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, David, Atsushi, Richard, JcK, Fuqiao, Erik, Bert, Felix
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