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14:02:56 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
14:03:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> chair: Lionel
14:03:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: May 9 2022 Personlization Task Force
14:03:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ TPAC 12-16 September 2022 - Plan meetings; remind chairs to fill in the form before 31 May:   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/
14:03:22 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt
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14:03:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Content Module Implementations Status
14:03:40 <CharlesL> present+
14:03:47 <Lionel_Wolberger>  agenda+ Roy follow-up, the task of renaming specification docs from Personalization to Adapt, (and adding the caption)
14:03:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ PR status on issues 203 and 204 (merge) -  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/203,  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/204
14:04:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Planning future COGA meetings on our other two modules
14:04:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:04:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> regrets: Becky
14:04:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Regrets: Sharon
14:04:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:04:59 <janina> present+
14:05:51 <Roy> present+
14:06:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
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14:12:08 <CharlesL> zakim, take up next item
14:12:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- TPAC 12-16 September 2022 - Plan meetings; remind chairs to fill in the form before 31 May:   https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/LogisticsTPAC2022/ -- taken up [from
14:12:11 <Zakim> ... Lionel_Wolberger]
14:12:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:13:48 <CharlesL> janina: there is another survey out.  New to the survey to file by end of the month.  who we want meetings with.  Do we need any cross group meetings?  Except maybe devs. needing advice.  I think we will be doing more of show/tell.  Personalization to ADAPT
14:14:30 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: we should be in CR by September.  We should go into high gear into socalization.
14:14:49 <CharlesL> …, do we want meetings to promote socializing.
14:14:57 <CharlesL> janina: Yes, thats what I mean by show/tell
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14:15:46 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
14:16:13 <CharlesL> …, expecting we will publish by end of month we need to be in CR for 60 days IP issues patent disclosers.  We are still using data- but we will want to ask WHATWG for a newly assigned days, which will trigger another 60 day CR period.
14:16:58 <CharlesL> …, we could be leaving CR before we get to TPAC but it will require all MUST statements with 2 implementations.  My guess we will be in CR at some point when we get to TPAC.
14:18:16 <CharlesL> …, We will need to be able to show this in actions.  Maybe meet with Publishing, Tzviya concerns for publishers on how they can do this without undue burden on the publishers.
14:18:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:20:23 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: Rendering side, implementation side (User Agents, Google / Apple, Microsoft / Edge / Firefox / Mozilla). Might get pushback have strategies for that.  Roy's action 3 submit officially for CR.
14:20:54 <CharlesL> janina: they may give us adapt, but they may not.  WHATWG would be the group to ask for this prefix
14:21:22 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: When we get the answer then we will restart the CR with the new Prefix and restart the 60 day timer.
14:21:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:22:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: To summarize for clarity, the following milestones lay ahead
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14:22:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... MS#1 Advance to CR. 60 day waiting period until OK'd
14:23:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... MS#2 (in parallel with MS#1) Apply to WHAT-WG for a reserved prefix to replace data- ('data dash'). Estimated time: 1W? 1M?
14:24:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... MS#3 Republish CR using the assigned reserved prefix. Min 60 day waiting period until OK'd
14:25:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... MS#4,5 will be 2 independent implementations of each RFC-2119 requirement
14:26:21 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: Do we want to set up a meeting with WHATWG?
14:26:39 <CharlesL> janina: It depends on their reaction when we request the new prefix.
14:27:17 <CharlesL> …, I file a GitHub issue to get the new prefix.  Not sure if there is a master list of them or HTML5 reserved prefixes.
14:27:39 <CharlesL> …, either they just give one to us or guide us through the process.
14:28:16 <CharlesL> …, we thought the prefix would be AUI, and we found out that it was taken and then were told to use data- for prototyping so this is where we are now.
14:28:53 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: is there a group for publishing in W3C?
14:29:40 <CharlesL> janina: Yes they are the DPUB WG.  Biggest news is we are into CR
14:30:25 <CharlesL> …, you can take advantage of it in your content.  could be done via hand but IDE's Maybe Drupal / WordPress, but not
14:30:29 <CharlesL> q+
14:30:39 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: we want implementers.
14:31:17 <CharlesL> janina: you want the Pearsons, Wileys, Benetechs etc.  K-12 education.  EU.
14:31:23 <CharlesL> ack me
14:31:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> CharlesL: We should reach out to the digital publishing working group
14:31:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I can bring that up in DP-WG
14:32:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... epub 3.3 is going through CR as well.
14:32:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... accessibility of digital publishing is one of the specs up for CR
14:32:34 <janina> qq+
14:33:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Adobe may be interested for PDF to epub (and perhaps other A11Y interests)
14:34:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Daisy might be interested
14:35:01 <CharlesL> s/Daisy/DAISY
14:36:33 <CharlesL> janina: Also coming up is our other two modules, and whats coming out of Pronunciation.  Web for Children CG.  our specification of Lang inadequate for TTS
14:37:28 <CharlesL> …, Pronunciation group wants a joint meeting with I18N, so we can identify child voice or Shakespearean voice etc.
14:38:24 <CharlesL> …, children are picking up languages first, especially in a refuge situation.
14:44:12 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: Adobe, DAISY and K-12 publishers we should meet with.  How do we action K-12 interest?  though EPUBs or YouTube Kids?
14:45:00 <CharlesL> janina: in the US there are mandates in law and publishers K-12 are aware of it and are active participants of DPUB and a11y,
14:45:23 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: so whats exciting about ADAPT for K-12 publisers?
14:46:36 <CharlesL> janina: publishers will want to take advantage to mark up their content accordingly for user agents.  participation to make things personalizable.
14:46:55 <CharlesL> q+
14:48:11 <CharlesL> ack janina
14:48:11 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to react to CharlesL
14:48:15 <janina> ack ja
14:50:40 <CharlesL> ack me
14:53:13 <CharlesL> CharlesL: Also Reading Systems would be important, VitalSource Bookshelf, Redshelf and Thorium
14:53:21 <CharlesL> zakim, take up item 3
14:53:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Roy follow-up, the task of renaming specification docs from Personalization to Adapt, (and adding the caption) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:53:25 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/205
14:53:51 <CharlesL> Roy: renaming items.  We also need a short name.
14:54:06 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: short name will be on the branch w3c/ ?
14:54:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:54:22 <janina> adapt-content
14:54:22 <CharlesL> janina: Adapt-content ?  only for the module
14:54:35 <Roy> w3.org/TR/adapt-content?
14:54:57 <janina> adapt-tools
14:55:00 <CharlesL> Matthew_Atkinson: I agree that sounds nice, there seems to me, should it be content module or content semantics module?  I think just content-module.
14:55:00 <janina> adapt-help
14:56:00 <janina> +1
14:56:03 <CharlesL> Lionel_Wolberger: anyone object to adapt-*
14:56:03 <Roy> +1
14:56:05 <CharlesL> +1
14:56:20 <mike_beganyi> +1
14:56:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> +1 (I am OK with this; I do NOT object :-))
14:56:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:56:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1
14:56:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Resolved: The short name shall be adapt-content
14:57:01 <CharlesL> Roy: I will rename the short name.
14:57:39 <CharlesL> …, there are some sentences which needed to be adjusted.
14:57:58 <CharlesL> …, We can do an updated working draft before the 25.
14:58:51 <CharlesL> agenda?
14:59:29 <CharlesL> janina: can we take anything up with JC?
15:00:28 <CharlesL> Matthew_Atkinson: I think we need lisa's view on this.
15:01:11 <CharlesL> janina: I will talk to Lisa with Matthew, we may be able to advance the issue.
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