IRC log of silver on 2022-05-06
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/05/06-silver-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
- 13:46:01 [jeanne]
- Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
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- present:
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- chair: Shawn, jeanne
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- present+
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/06-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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- q?
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- agenda cleared
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- Scribe List -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List#Scribe_List
- 13:46:43 [jeanne]
- agenda+ Complete the Exploring Alternate Structure and Charter Approach Survey
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- agenda+ Continuation of guidelines breakdown
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- agenda?
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- Present+
- 14:00:45 [janina]
- present+
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List
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- present+
- 14:01:43 [Rachael]
- scribe: Rachael
- 14:02:17 [jeanne]
- zakim, take up first item
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- I don't understand 'take up first item', jeanne
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 1 -- Complete the Exploring Alternate Structure and Charter Approach Survey -- taken up [from jeanne]
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- s/ zakim, take up first item//
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- present+
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- present+
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- Lauriat: Please fill out the Exploring Alternate Structure and Approach survey.
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- agenda?
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- Present+
- 14:05:43 [Rachael]
- ...It is closing out at the end of Monday.
- 14:05:58 [JF]
- Traditionally that means midnight Boston time
- 14:06:27 [Lauriat]
- Zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 2 -- Continuation of guidelines breakdown -- taken up [from jeanne]
- 14:06:45 [janina]
- APA attempts to disambiguate by saying "23:59 Boston Time"
- 14:07:26 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: For the groups who worked last week, are any of you at a point where you can move on?
- 14:07:28 [Lauriat]
- Not Consistent Identification, we haven't started tests, yet.
- 14:07:45 [Lauriat]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pixL2TUGuskgH0ZfT8zmJpM1-Q2qEr-y9H7RpNslxSc/edit
- 14:07:57 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: Are you identifying tests or writing tests?
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- Lauriat: We've identified tests and units, which was an interesting exercise. We haven't finished filling out the subguidelines.
- 14:08:45 [Rachael]
- jeanne: My understanding is that is for the guidelines where the guidelines itself needs to break it down.
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- q+
- 14:09:23 [Lauriat]
- ack Rachael
- 14:09:24 [Rachael]
- ...My understanding is to take everything and load it into a database. I think writing the tests is not necessary
- 14:11:12 [jeanne]
- RBM: The goal is to put it into a database, but the subguideline break down different categories of tests.
- 14:11:32 [Rachael]
- Lauriat: I was thinking of writing tests. We likely are close to done then.
- 14:12:07 [jeanne]
- Consistent Identification -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pixL2TUGuskgH0ZfT8zmJpM1-Q2qEr-y9H7RpNslxSc/
- 14:12:20 [Rachael]
- ...example, higher level test case of consistently meet design style guide. View or user process level aggregate of similar, are they consistent. Unit levels of how are they identified.
- 14:12:36 [Rachael]
- ...I don't think we need to go lower than that.
- 14:12:46 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: How about abbreviations?
- 14:12:53 [Lauriat]
- Abbreviations -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14CBwo74SrVkwinN5YWeKIjLqvr1K7cNX9CulXwbFIUM/
- 14:13:37 [Rachael]
- Shadi: I think Mike Gower, Shadi, Chuck, and John last week
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- Jeanne: If you can add who was attending the group in the notes section at the bottom.
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- s/Mike Gower/Makoto
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- ...Are you (abbreviations) done or do you need more time?
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- Makoto: I'm not sure if we are done.
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- Q+
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- Jeanne: The last one is interruptions.
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- ack JF
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- JF: Done? I don't know. There was a concern raised where the section user needs. There was discussion about the "first time its used" That needs to be defined better. Does that need to be flushed out more?
- 14:16:01 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: More granular than we need right now.
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- Please capture those insights in notes though
- 14:16:35 [Rachael]
- ...Solving the problems we find can be done when we are writing the SC. Please capture in notes.
- 14:16:37 [Lauriat]
- Interruptions -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HSl8bUEVrfyYem9555z7kzX5s1LWLwj_Wad-ko2mOeI/edit
- 14:17:12 [Rachael]
- jeanne: Who was working on interruptions?
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- Rachael: We coudl benefit from a little more time.
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- Jeanne: Any one who wants to work on interruptions will go to that room.
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- 14:18:22 [Rachael]
- ...We have two other rooms for those previously working on Abbreviations and consistent identification.
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- present+
- 14:18:52 [Rachael]
- ...1.2.4 Captions (live) AA, 1.2.5 AA, and 1.3.5 Input purpose AA need to be done.
- 14:19:04 [Rachael]
- ...Also 1.4.2 Audio Control A
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- ...Is there anyone who has a preference?
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- present+
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- Present+
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- I won't be able to do much, if anything, I have a work meeting in 10 minutes
- 14:20:22 [Rachael]
- ...Group 2 will be audio controls. I've set up a document
- 14:20:45 [jeanne]
- Silver Group 2 Audio Controls -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oXqNZ22r1qDToD1mP0-0h3dOe9JqHkO09o9o2vcWJYc/
- 14:20:45 [Rachael]
- ...rename the document Audio controls or I can fix it later.
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- Group 3 Input purpose
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- ...input purpose doc link:
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- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QhyVAua1nV8JMpJCdjQ2Y38GsaXpDw9BMGKbU7Vh3xk/edit#heading=h.vx20z4iqr83a
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- scribing pausing here as we are going into break out rooms.
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- scribing is picking up post breakout rooms.
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- Jeanne: Welcome back. Interruptions first.
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- Rachael: Led to a good break down and identifying gaps
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- Shadi volunteered Maryjo
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- MaryJo: We got through it all. Break it down into 3 sub guidelines. I think its good.
- 14:55:56 [Rachael]
- ...pretty clear how to break audio controls one down. There is some assumptions such as assistive technology is in use.
- 14:56:13 [Rachael]
- ...its not always easy to tell how the functional needs plays. Make assumptions about who uses assistive technology.
- 14:57:01 [Rachael]
- ...there is some language differences. With WCAG 3 trying to have more positive language. Need changes to the language. Instead of "Don't interfere with..." To something more positive "Allow a user to focus without interference..." Not yet sure how to do that.
- 14:57:06 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: Input purpose
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- Lauriat: Interesting discussion because as a part of talking through functional and user needs, it should be for both 1.3.5 and 1.3.6. It's the same guidance but a slightly different scope and overall documentation of how to do each of the things. We added references to help work through things from here.
- 14:58:48 [Rachael]
- JF: As we started looking at the AA requirement. We realized the correlation between the AA and AA exisitng. I believe other SC have a similar relationship. Color contrast for example. High level approach has value as well.
- 14:58:53 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: Thank you everyone.
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- s/correlation between the AA and AA exisitng/correlation between the AA and AAA existed
- 14:59:47 [Rachael]
- ...its good to get some good work and making progress. I would like to ask for help. One of the things I found while preparing, is that we have 3 different locations that those that are done are listed. We'd like to map a consistent list and get all the information into Notiion. Can someone volunteer to help us do that?
- 14:59:58 [Rachael]
- ...need help getting it straightened out.
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- Lauriat: I have been updating the spreadsheet linked to the email.
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- jeanne: I will look at that too. If someone can help, please let me know outside the meeting. Have a good weekend.
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/06-silver-minutes.html Rachael
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