IRC log of rdf-star on 2022-05-06

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14:49:14 [Zakim]: RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:49:15 [Zakim]: please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Pierre-Antoine
14:49:31 [Pierre-Antoine]: meeting: RDF-star
14:49:35 [Pierre-Antoine]: agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2022May/0000.html
14:49:35 [agendabot]: clear agenda
14:49:35 [agendabot]: agenda+ Announcements and newcomers
14:49:35 [agendabot]: agenda+ Open actions
14:49:35 [agendabot]: agenda+ WG chartering
14:49:35 [agendabot]: agenda+ Schedule next call
14:49:37 [agendabot]: agenda+ Open-ended discussions
14:50:10 [Pierre-Antoine]: Previous meeting: https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/Minutes/2022-04-08.html
14:50:15 [Pierre-Antoine]: chair: Pierre-Antoine
14:50:36 [Pierre-Antoine]: regrets: AndyS
14:50:46 [Pierre-Antoine]: present+
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15:04:12 [olaf]: present+
15:04:16 [Doerthe]: present+
15:04:16 [gkellogg]: present+
15:04:24 [TallTed]: present+
15:04:46 [Dominik_T]: present+
15:07:13 [Pierre-Antoine]: scribe: olaf
15:07:19 [Pierre-Antoine]: zakim, next item
15:07:19 [Zakim]: agendum 1 -- Announcements and newcomers -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:33 [Pierre-Antoine]: q?
15:07:56 [olaf]: pchampin: new bot on the IRC
15:08:18 [olaf]: ... ghurlbot
15:08:37 [olaf]: ... should write of title github issues that are mentioned
15:09:07 [olaf]: ... Different topic: tried "Matrix" (?) as an alternative to IRC
15:09:20 [fabio]: fabio has joined #rdf-star
15:09:23 [Pierre-Antoine]: s/ (?)//
15:09:28 [fabio]: hello
15:09:29 [Pierre-Antoine]: q?
15:09:35 [Pierre-Antoine]: zakim, open next item
15:09:35 [Zakim]: agendum 2 -- Open actions -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:09:44 [Pierre-Antoine]: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aaction
15:10:03 [Pierre-Antoine]: q+
15:10:08 [olaf]: pchampin: still archived open items
15:10:21 [Pierre-Antoine]: ack pchampin
15:10:29 [Pierre-Antoine]: #247
15:10:30 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 247 [not found] https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/247
15:10:47 [Pierre-Antoine]: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/247
15:10:59 [gkellogg]: w3c/rdf-star#247
15:10:59 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 247 [not found] https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/247
15:11:02 [olaf]: ... about publishing the final report
15:11:31 [olaf]: ... still on it
15:11:37 [fabio]: still not finding...
15:12:00 [olaf]: ... but not working to have danbri push the publish button
15:12:17 [olaf]: q+
15:12:30 [Doerthe]: @fabio: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/247
15:12:30 [ghurlbot]: -> @fabio https://github.com/fabio
15:12:34 [Pierre-Antoine]: ack Pierre-Antoine
15:12:37 [Pierre-Antoine]: ack olaf
15:13:28 [TallTed]: ghurlbot, discussing w3c/rdf-star
15:13:28 [ghurlbot]: TallTed, OK
15:13:34 [TallTed]: #247
15:13:34 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 247 ping DanBri about publishing the final report on the CG page (pchampin), action https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/247
15:13:38 [TallTed]: :-)
15:14:09 [olaf]: gkellogg: danbri may still wait for opposition against the chartering
15:14:49 [Pierre-Antoine]: q?
15:14:55 [olaf]: pchampin: suprised that there was no discussion on the SemWeb mailing list in response to the email there, about one month ago
15:15:32 [Pierre-Antoine]: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aaction
15:15:39 [TallTed]: ghurlbot, status?
15:15:39 [ghurlbot]: TallTed, the delay is 15, issues are on, names are on and the repositories are https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter
15:15:49 [Pierre-Antoine]: ghurlbot, discussing w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter
15:15:49 [ghurlbot]: Pierre-Antoine, OK
15:16:12 [Pierre-Antoine]: #29
15:16:12 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 29 Add Ora Lassila as one of the expected chair (pchampin), action https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/29
15:16:42 [olaf]: pchampin: PR to explicitly add Ora as a possible chair
15:17:00 [Pierre-Antoine]: q?
15:17:06 [Pierre-Antoine]: #27
15:17:06 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 27 Add text to clearly state that existing RDF 1.1 data will remain valid in syntax and semantics. (pchampin), action https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/27
15:17:09 [olaf]: ... while Ora agreed during the last call, the PR is still pending, waiting for Ora's approval
15:17:45 [olaf]: pchampin: next PR, for issue 27
15:18:05 [olaf]: ... no, oops, the PR still needs to be created
15:18:41 [Pierre-Antoine]: > The group should ensure that any RDF 1.1 data remains valid in this new version. Furthermore, any RDF or RDFS entailment drawn under RDF 1.1 semantics should also remain valid in this new version.
15:18:42 [olaf]: ... it is actually merged
15:19:18 [Pierre-Antoine]: that was PR #31
15:19:18 [ghurlbot]: -> Pull Request 31 [closed] make it explicit that the group will aim for backward compatibility (pchampin) https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/31
15:19:50 [Pierre-Antoine]: #25
15:19:51 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 25 WG timeline ? (pchampin), action https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/25
15:20:10 [Pierre-Antoine]: addressed by #33
15:20:10 [ghurlbot]: -> Pull Request 33 set timeline to 24 months, as resolved for #25 (pchampin) https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/33
15:20:20 [olaf]: ... PR about proposing timeline
15:20:37 [olaf]: ... editors have approved this PR already
15:20:44 [Pierre-Antoine]: #28
15:20:44 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 28 add an explicit rationale about the choice of documents to include (pchampin), action https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/28
15:21:00 [olaf]: ... but it will be left open until begin of next week, in case someone else still wants to chime in
15:21:18 [Pierre-Antoine]: PR #32
15:21:18 [ghurlbot]: -> Pull Request 32 explain the rationale behing the list of specifications (pchampin) https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/32
15:21:53 [olaf]: PR about issue 28, editors have approved that one as well; will be left open until next Monday
15:21:54 [Pierre-Antoine]: q?
15:22:04 [Pierre-Antoine]: #26
15:22:04 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 26 Request expressions of support (pchampin), action https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/26
15:22:08 [olaf]: ... and merged then (unless discussion emerges)
15:22:54 [olaf]: ... To address issue 26, email was sent to the SemWeb mailing list.
15:23:14 [olaf]: ... some expressions of support have come in already
15:23:18 [Pierre-Antoine]: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/labels/expression_of_support
15:23:31 [olaf]: ... currently five
15:24:20 [olaf]: q+
15:24:32 [Pierre-Antoine]: ack olaf
15:24:37 [Pierre-Antoine]: scribe+
15:25:02 [Pierre-Antoine]: olaf: KRBD works on the Ontop system. I found out that they published something about R2RML-star
15:26:05 [Pierre-Antoine]: zakim, open next item
15:26:05 [Zakim]: agendum 3 -- WG chartering -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:26:46 [olaf]: TallTed: suggestion to create labels for expressions of discent
15:27:02 [olaf]: ... and neutrality
15:28:01 [olaf]: gkellogg: yes some more neutral naming of the tag / type of issue
15:28:04 [TallTed]: s/discent/dissent/
15:28:23 [olaf]: pchampin: we decided on "expression of support" because that's what had been done
15:28:30 [olaf]: ... for the ??? WG
15:28:36 [Pierre-Antoine]: s/???/RCH/
15:30:00 [TallTed]: "opinion about WG ratification" { "neutral about WG ratification", "supports WG ratification", "opposes WG ratification"}
15:30:27 [olaf]: q+
15:30:39 [Pierre-Antoine]: ack olaf
15:30:45 [Pierre-Antoine]: scribe+
15:31:02 [Pierre-Antoine]: olaf: I would propose to add another template
15:31:08 [Pierre-Antoine]: ... makes it easier to filter
15:31:14 [Pierre-Antoine]: ... "expression_of_opposition" ?
15:31:23 [TallTed]: or { expression_of_support, expression_of_opposition, expression_of_neutrality }
15:32:05 [olaf]: TallTed: no strong opinion, just to address danbri's objection
15:32:19 [TallTed]: s/objection/concern/
15:33:13 [Pierre-Antoine]: PROPOSED: add symetric label + issue template with 'expression_of_opposition'
15:33:23 [Pierre-Antoine]: +0.5
15:33:30 [gkellogg]: +0.5
15:33:38 [olaf]: +0.75
15:33:43 [fabio]: +1
15:33:44 [Dominik_T]: +0.5
15:33:58 [TallTed]: +1
15:34:02 [Doerthe]: +1
15:34:16 [Pierre-Antoine]: RESOLVED: add symetric label + issue template with 'expression_of_opposition'
15:34:23 [TallTed]: s/symetric/symmetric/
15:34:27 [TallTed]: s/symetric/symmetric/
15:34:37 [Pierre-Antoine]: scribe-
15:35:03 [olaf]: pchampin: charter in good shape (modulo the pending PRs)
15:35:11 [olaf]: ... want to push it one step further
15:35:27 [olaf]: ...the advisory committee has been informed one month ago
15:35:41 [olaf]: ... next, ask opion from W3C management (?)
15:35:54 [olaf]: s/opion/opinion
15:36:07 [olaf]: ... W3C meets every Wednesday
15:36:27 [olaf]: ... could put that one their next agenda
15:36:46 [olaf]: ... what is blocking still is the lack of chairs
15:37:25 [olaf]: ... it is generally possible to have only one chair, but not advisable
15:37:42 [olaf]: ... so, it is urgent to find someone else
15:38:19 [TallTed]: Roles have different concerns: chair shepherds group process; editors shepherd/edit the documents.
15:38:29 [olaf]: ... is anyone here interested?
15:38:51 [fabio]: you do not want me, but I am available for low-level menial jobs, if I may be useful somehow
15:39:04 [olaf]: ... Olaf?
15:39:08 [olaf]: q+
15:40:29 [Pierre-Antoine]: scribe+
15:41:22 [Pierre-Antoine]: olaf: I have already too little time, and this would be very time consuming
15:41:36 [gkellogg]: q+
15:41:57 [Pierre-Antoine]: ack gkellogg
15:42:21 [Pierre-Antoine]: ... also, I (partily) affiliated with Amazon, like Ora, which might not look good
15:43:01 [olaf]: gkellogg: Is it necessary for us to have identified chairs now?
15:43:29 [olaf]: ... maybe the second chair may be identified later
15:44:02 [olaf]: pchampin: for the vote by the advisory committee there needs to be a well-defined team
15:44:28 [olaf]: ...not having identified all chairs may send a bad signal to the AC
15:44:57 [olaf]: ... have chairs from industry is better for the AC
15:45:47 [olaf]: ... on the other hand, having no chair from academy may be problematic because academics may not want to join
15:46:30 [olaf]: ... there may also be more than two chairs
15:47:23 [olaf]: ... with Ora more on the RDF side, it would be good to have someone who is more on the SPARQL
15:47:39 [olaf]: ... someone from the triple store vendors?
15:47:46 [olaf]: OpenLink?
15:48:02 [olaf]: TallTed: no, my plate is more than full
15:48:16 [olaf]: pchampin: Vladimir from Ontotext?
15:48:39 [olaf]: q+
15:48:46 [pchampin]: ack olaf
15:49:03 [Pierre-Antoine]: scribe+
15:49:17 [Pierre-Antoine]: olaf: I don't know him that well, but it does not hurt to ask
15:55:15 [Pierre-Antoine]: zazuko.com
15:55:27 [Pierre-Antoine]: Adrian Gschwend
16:00:41 [Pierre-Antoine]: q?
16:01:22 [fabio]: ciao!
16:03:04 [Pierre-Antoine]: PROPOSED: le's have our next call 2 weeks from now: 2022-05-20
16:03:08 [gkellogg]: +1
16:03:09 [Dominik_T]: +1
16:03:09 [olaf]: +1
16:03:12 [Doerthe]: +1
16:03:13 [Pierre-Antoine]: s/le's/let's/
16:03:14 [fabio]: +1
16:03:16 [Pierre-Antoine]: +1
16:03:30 [TallTed]: +0
16:03:37 [Pierre-Antoine]: RESOLVED: let's have our next call 2 weeks from now: 2022-05-20
16:03:47 [fabio]: ciao again!
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16:27:30 [pchampin]: ghurlbot, status
16:27:30 [ghurlbot]: pchampin, the delay is 15, issues are on, names are on and the repositories are https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter">https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star
16:27:34 [pchampin]: #1
16:27:34 [ghurlbot]: -> Issue 1 [closed] Should RDF-star and SPARQL-star be 2 separate WGs (pchampin) https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/1
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