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09:59:06 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture
09:59:10 <kaz> chair: Lagally
10:01:35 <kaz> presented+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
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10:04:09 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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10:05:40 <McCool> topic: minutes
10:06:23 <McCool> ml: minutes for April 28
10:06:31 <kaz> i|April|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/28-wot-arch-minutes.html Apr-28|
10:06:58 <McCool> ... some info on security discussed prior to the meeting, should be move it or delete it?
10:07:10 <McCool> ... move under issue 726 for context
10:07:32 <McCool> s/be move/we move/
10:08:06 <kaz> i/minutes for/scribenick: McCool/
10:08:30 <McCool> ml: approve?
10:08:39 <McCool> ... no objections, publish
10:08:46 <McCool> topic: Contributions
10:08:55 <McCool> subtopic: PR #742
10:09:18 <McCool> ml: explainer updates, remove editor notes
10:09:29 <McCool> ... add some links to profile and discovery
10:09:30 <kaz> q?
10:09:56 <McCool> ... replaced list of use cases with a table
10:10:10 <McCool> ... removed requirements section, covered in use cases document
10:10:19 <McCool> ... then have design discussion
10:10:26 <McCool> ... still missing a discovery section
10:10:28 <kaz> i|explainer up|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/742 PR 742 - explainer updates for profile, use cases, cleanup|
10:11:25 <McCool> mm: let's merge, I can do a cleanup pass, add the discovery para
10:12:42 <McCool> ml: merging
10:13:02 <McCool> mm: btw name is long, it makes the URL awkward, percent-encoded spaces, etc
10:13:11 <McCool> ml: ok, pls change in your cleanup PR
10:15:52 <McCool> ml: I will do a small PR first to clean up some minor things
10:16:15 <McCool> mm: ok, let me merge that before
10:16:24 <McCool> subtopic: PR #739
10:16:28 <McCool> ml: accessibility
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10:17:14 <kaz> i|access|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/739 PR 739 - Answers to accessibility questions|
10:17:20 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
10:21:27 <McCool> mm: tricky, because WoT systems can have UIs but we don't constrain them
10:21:59 <kaz> q+
10:22:57 <McCool> kaz: also want to note got some comments from Janina, how to deal with existing IoT frameworks like Alexa, etc.
10:23:12 <McCool> ... how to use WoT to deal with accessibility for users
10:23:55 <kaz> ack k
10:24:54 <McCool> mm: basically what I say in summary is that there can be accessibility impact, but adding such constraints was not in scope, but might be in the future
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10:28:17 <kaz> q+
10:29:11 <Ege> q+
10:29:46 <McCool> ml: maybe some of these "no" answers should be "possible"
10:30:14 <McCool> kaz: we haven't really seriously thought about how to incorporate UI constraints, but perhaps we should
10:30:38 <McCool> ... right after last F2F meeting, Michael Cooper presented, mentioned some possible extensions
10:31:17 <McCool> mm: also languages choices are themselves a kind of accessibility
10:31:49 <McCool> ege: displays, a stretch, we could think of an accessibility vocabulary, have some constraints, standardized affordances, etc.
10:33:46 <McCool> mm: note also these answers are for WoT as a whole, not just for TDs
10:34:49 <McCool> ml: consider as a thought experiment CORBA, same answers?
10:35:03 <kaz> ack k
10:35:04 <kaz> ack e
10:38:31 <McCool> mm: can also update the intro a bit; some things we might be able to deal with layered on top of the current architecture
10:39:11 <McCool> ml: one place a "yes" could be added
10:41:52 <McCool> mm: anyway, let me address the review comments, update the PR, have you check it, merge it, then mark the a*y issue as ready to review
10:49:17 <McCool> mm: for internationalization, still need to do that for architecture
10:50:08 <McCool> ... can look at what has already been done for TD and discovery
10:50:21 <McCool> mm: I may be able to get to that next week
10:50:23 <McCool> q?
10:50:24 <mlagally> q?
10:50:55 <McCool> subtopic: PR #737
10:51:02 <McCool> ml: binding related information
10:51:48 <McCool> ... this PR is carrying over an annex from the binding docs, correct?
10:51:59 <McCool> ege: yes, we agreed to move this to architecture
10:52:32 <kaz> i|binding related in|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/737 PR 737 - Align binding related information|
10:52:34 <McCool> ... currently these are in the "orphaned sections", appendix B1
10:53:34 <McCool> mm: why in architecture vs. TD
10:54:43 <McCool> ... concern is that it may mention things not defined in architecture, hence confusing, e.g.  "op", "form", etc.
10:55:10 <McCool> ml: let's see what we have already...
10:56:15 <McCool> ... do have a section that defines forms and operation types in general terms
10:57:17 <kaz> q+
10:57:59 <McCool> ... so maybe we need to do a bit of repair to avoid things like "readproperty" that have not been explicitly defined yet
10:58:39 <McCool> ege: not that a lot of these chapters were written before the TD was finalized
10:59:26 <McCool> ... also worth considering whether they should be included at all
11:00:04 <McCool> ml: this PR does resolve two or three issues, but there are also some assertions
11:00:25 <McCool> ... it also removes some existing assertions, new ones don't correllate
11:01:45 <McCool> mm: what issues get fixed?  PR combines fixes to both
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11:02:27 <McCool> ege: also the assertions that were removed were ones we agreed to remove
11:02:48 <McCool> ml: would be good to reference the issue where we agreed to remove issues
11:03:23 <McCool> ml: please split also into fixes to separate issues; see comments on issue
11:03:54 <kaz> kaz: +1
11:04:52 <McCool> ege: is list from Toumura-san that we had agreed to remove...
11:05:02 <McCool> ml: thought we *had* removed that...
11:05:07 <Ege> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/#sec-hypermedia-links
11:05:19 <Ege> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/#sec-hypermedia-forms
11:06:06 <McCool> toumura: agree with ege that we remove the bnf assertions
11:06:26 <McCool> ml: yes, we all agreed, we just need to keep the bookkeeping straight
11:06:43 <McCool> ... much easier if there are multiple small PRs than one big one
11:07:37 <McCool> kaz: should have a PR for each issue
11:08:40 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:08:55 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:09:05 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:09:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:09:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/05-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
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