14:03:59 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 14:03:59 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-td-irc 14:04:05 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF 14:04:11 chair: Sebastian 14:04:47 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Addison_Phillips, Jan_Romann, Sebastian_Kaebisch 14:06:04 McCool has joined #wot-td 14:06:28 scribenick: Ege 14:07:12 mlagally__ has joined #wot-td 14:07:49 dape has joined #wot-td 14:08:22 topic: minutes review 14:12:24 thjaeckle has joined #wot-td 14:18:53 sk: we need to remove the part 4 (IANA submission) from the minutes 14:20:47 (fixed) 14:21:08 zakim, who is on the call? 14:21:08 Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Addison_Phillips, Jan_Romann, Sebastian_Kaebisch 14:21:39 present+ Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Thomas_Jaeckle, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:21:52 Topic: Issue 1418 14:23:20 sk: addison can we do it as it is? 14:23:30 ap: we advice people to use metadata 14:24:20 s/1418/1416/ 14:24:39 i|addison|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1416 Issue 1416 - Use of direction heuristic needs work| 14:24:50 s/addison can/Addison, can/ 14:25:03 ap: we should not have many specs with algorithms 14:25:19 sk: we can remove this whole part here 14:26:34 ek: I think we can remove it and simply link to their document via respec 14:27:53 ap: feel free to invite me as a reviewer in the PR 14:30:52 I will reconnect 14:31:24 topic: Issue 1413 14:31:41 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1413 Issue 1413 - Missing "available languages/locales" feature? 14:32:40 mm: we can search for available languages via the td directory 14:33:44 ap: it is an open question on how to indicate the locale 14:34:36 mm: should we also talk about the language negotiation of thing interactions and not metadata 14:37:32 ap: I don't know if I should filter my directory based on language. presence of a language would effect availability 14:39:28 sk: maybe we cannot solve this with TD 14:41:20 mm: I will create an issue 14:41:27 ... in discovery 14:42:22 scribenick: kaz 14:42:28 https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/304 14:42:47 topic: Issue 1410 14:42:59 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1410 Issue 1410 - Interaction of RFC3986 and JSON Pointer 14:43:08 scribenick: Ege 14:46:06 ap: json has to be utf8 encoded, so you can just refer to the spec no? 14:47:31 ap: the way you set up tmref value is refering to an rfc saying that it has to be url encoded. So you have the risk of doing double encoding 14:51:46 rrsagent, make log public 14:52:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:52:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:52:56 topic: Accessibility 14:53:00 mm: I did accesibility check, created issues in architecture 14:53:38 s/topic: Issue/subtopic: Issue/g 14:54:10 i/subtopic: Issue 1416/topic: I18n/ 14:54:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:54:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:54:56 mm: we have to be consistent across our specs 14:55:57 topic: TAG review 14:56:13 sk: we got positivite feedback from TAG. They are waiting for the architecture 14:56:25 i|I did a|-> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/21 Accessibility review| 14:56:52 sk: I have talked with Philip Le Hegar 14:58:13 mm: I would prefer to say json pointer is what use in TMs and TDs 14:59:05 i|we got p|-> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/715 TAG review| 14:59:21 s/Philip/Philippe/ 14:59:35 i/I have talked/topic: IANA registration/ 15:00:12 i|I have talked|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/931 Issue 931 - Content Type for Thing Model (IANA registration needed)| 15:00:27 ... we would be internally consistent 15:00:59 i|I have talked|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1476 PR 1476 - Add section about IANA Thing Model content type registration| 15:03:06 mm: I would prefer to have an ending like json or jsonld and say only one version 15:04:58 q+ 15:05:44 sk: I would talk to klaus hartke 15:12:10 kaz: W3C contact for IANA registration is PLH, so let's talk with him again 15:12:23 ... and we should clarify our expectations a bit more for that discussion 15:12:40 ... e.g., reusing the TD 1.0 definition or extending it 15:12:56 ... we can invite PLH to this TD call if he's available 15:13:26 sk: ok 15:13:37 ... pleas talk with PLH about this then 15:13:57 action: kaz to talk with PLH about his participation in the TD call to discuss IANA registration 15:13:57 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 15:14:07 back 15:14:18 sk: we have first response about privacy review 15:14:18 s/back// 15:14:31 i/W3C contact for/scribenick: kaz/ 15:14:50 i/we have first response about/scribenick: Ege/ 15:15:08 Topic: Issue 1490 15:15:30 mm: I can understand that 15:15:32 q+ 15:15:41 ack k 15:15:41 mm: I can make a PR to address this issue 15:15:57 i|we have first|topic: Privacy review| 15:16:45 i|we have first|-> https://github.com/w3cping/privacy-request/issues/84 Privacy review| 15:17:39 i|we have first|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1490 Issue 1490 - Limitations on TDs Utilising nosec| 15:18:01 ack e 15:18:29 ek: I find it a bit weird that I need tls in a local network if I have ids in TDs because I want to 15:19:29 mm: I think I will add a PR that simply says that if interactions are on the public network, you should use TLS 15:19:43 ek: I think that makes sense if http is the protocol in use 15:21:23 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf#To_Do 15:21:51 mm: please join security call if you are interested in this 15:22:11 topic: Security review 15:22:15 -> https://github.com/w3c/security-request/issues/26 Security review 15:22:37 sk: no response yet 15:22:43 i/no/scribenick: kaz/ 15:23:26 topic: PRs 15:23:31 subtopic: PR 1466 15:23:45 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1466 PR 1466 - use "@type" instead of rdf:type| 15:23:49 s/should use TLS/MUST use TLS/ 15:24:13 sk: We have looked at it last week as well 15:24:18 ... it is a fix 15:25:40 q+ 15:27:54 kaz: I am ok but they should not make further PRs 15:30:24 resolution: The Pull Request 1466 is editorial and the group agrees to merge it 15:31:26 resolution: The Pull Request 1327 is editorial and the group agrees to merge it 15:32:29 resolution: The Pull Request 1568 is editorial and the group agrees to merge it 15:32:52 resolution: The Pull Request 1468 is editorial and the group agrees to merge it 15:32:57 s/14/15 15:33:05 s/15/14/ 15:33:19 s/resolution: The Pull Request 1568 is editorial and the group agrees to merge it// 15:34:31 subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1474 PR 1474 - fix: allow definition of additional security schemes 15:36:30 s/subtopic:/-> / 15:36:32 jr: it is not perfect since we cannot guarantee that the prefix is valid 15:36:38 i/1474/subtopic: PR 1474/ 15:38:44 mm: this is not normative, effecting the schema only 15:39:49 mm: we have to make sure that json schema is kept in sync with the text 15:41:29 sk: we will merge 15:42:39 subtopic: PR 1478 15:42:46 sk: there is typo that I should fix 15:46:04 i|there is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1478 PR 1478 - support transitive extension in TM definitions| 15:47:17 sk: there are conflicts 15:47:25 jr: you can remove the top one, anyof is correct 15:50:17 subtopic: PR 1485 15:50:32 sk: these tags are simply not used 15:51:19 sk: I suggest to merge 15:51:26 sk: it is a simple change 15:51:57 i|these tags|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1485 PR 1485 - remove tag text in validation sections| 15:55:15 sk: I will resolve the merge conflicts 15:57:31 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1486 PR 1486 - structure @context rules 15:57:38 i/1486/subtopic: PR 1486/ 15:57:41 (merged) 15:57:47 subtopic: PR 1480 15:58:13 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1480 PR 1480 - default values for read/writeOnly only in PropertyAffordance definitions 15:58:30 sk: don't think any issue with backward compatibility 15:58:40 i/merged/scribenick: kaz/ 16:01:08 ek: me neither, people did not use it in other places than properties 16:01:24 (merged) 16:01:38 i/me ne/scribenick: Ege/ 16:01:45 i/merged/scribenik: kaz/ 16:02:11 [adjourned] 16:02:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:02:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 18:17:53 Zakim has left #wot-td