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11:00:17 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
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11:02:50 <kaz> chair: Lagally
11:03:12 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
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11:04:05 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#WoT_Architecture_.28Profile.29_-_May_4th.2C_2022
11:04:15 <kaz> q+
11:05:01 <kaz> regrets+ Ben
11:05:08 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:06:28 <kaz> q-
11:06:38 <kaz> scribenick: McCool_
11:06:52 <McCool_> topic: minutes 27 April
11:07:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/27-wot-profile-minutes.html Apr-27
11:07:43 <McCool_> mm: have some suggestions for security...
11:07:52 <McCool_> ml: but let's not discuss on this call
11:08:06 <McCool_> ml: last meeting we resolved some issues and PRs
11:08:52 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
11:09:17 <McCool_> ml: 401 error issue we didn't really discuss...
11:09:38 <McCool_> mm: we have discussed in discovery, can follow up there, create an issue in profiles if necessary
11:10:21 <McCool_> ml: did some updates on WebHook will talk about today...
11:10:35 <McCool_> mm: any progress on explainer?  even just general intro?
11:10:42 <McCool_> ml: not yet, but is a placeholder
11:10:58 <McCool_> ml: anything in the minutes to change?  Can we approve?
11:11:05 <McCool_> ... no objections, approve
11:11:11 <McCool_> topic: Publication Blockeres
11:11:22 <McCool_> s/Blockeres/Blockers/
11:11:51 <McCool_> ml: can close "Describe Key Use Cases"
11:12:11 <McCool_> ... should also look at "close" tag later...
11:13:22 <McCool_> ml: generic issue, "blocker for publication", Just an example, we can close now (#110)
11:13:56 <McCool_> ml: timestamps, Ben has a proposal
11:14:38 <McCool_> ml: issue #90 is not really a blocker in my opinion, is an informative example
11:14:59 <McCool_> mm: agree is useful, but because informative is not technically a blocker
11:15:54 <kaz> i|can close "|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22blocks+publication%22 Issues labeled as "blocks publication"|
11:16:00 <McCool_> ml: issue #17 - vocabulary
11:16:19 <McCool_> mm: the issue is really that if there is new vocabulary, it should be in a context files
11:16:59 <kaz> i|can lose "D|subtopic: Issue 128|
11:17:12 <kaz> i|can lose "D|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/128 Issue 128 - Describe key use cases for Profiles|
11:17:19 <McCool_> ... one issue is that if we define new vocab, we should probably use a prefix
11:17:52 <kaz> i|generic issue|subtopic: Issue 110|
11:18:10 <kaz> i|generic issue|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/110 Issue 110 - Blocker for publication|
11:18:27 <McCool_> ml: have 24 blocks issues, and 18 marked as "close"
11:18:50 <kaz> i|issue #90|subtopic: Issue 90|
11:19:15 <kaz> i|issue #90|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/90 Issue 90 - Provide example TD and declarative protocol binding illustration for Core Profile|
11:19:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:19:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:19:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:20:20 <McCool_> ... will look at close issues myself
11:20:58 <kaz> i|issue #17|subtopic: Issue 17|
11:21:10 <kaz> i|issue #17|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/17 Issue 17 - Vocabulary not in TD context|
11:21:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:21:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:21:57 <kaz> q+
11:22:04 <McCool_> mm: also ussue #139, we have to avoid triggering a privacy review complaint, problem is the word "global"
11:22:26 <McCool_> ... suggest we use uuidv4, also avoids collisions and privacy issues with metadata in ids
11:23:28 <kaz> s/ ussue / issue /
11:23:38 <kaz> i|#139|subtopic: Issue 139|
11:24:06 <McCool_> ... and making use if uuidv4 solves a bunch of problems
11:24:09 <kaz> i|#139|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/139 Issue 139 - unique id|
11:24:19 <McCool_> ml: agree, better than developers doing something random
11:24:47 <mlagally> proposal: use uuidv4 for ids: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4122
11:25:03 <mlagally> proposal: use uuidv4 for ids: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4122 and make ids mandatory
11:25:58 <kaz> ack k
11:26:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:27:05 <Ege> brb
11:28:31 <mlagally> resolution: use uuidv4 for ids: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4122 and make ids mandatory
11:28:46 <kaz> s/brb//
11:28:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:29:27 <McCool_> topic: PRs
11:29:46 <McCool_> subtopic: PR #195
11:30:24 <kaz> i|can close "D|subtopic: Issue 128|
11:30:55 <kaz> i|can close "D|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/128 Issue 128 - Describe key use cases for Profiles|
11:31:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:31:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:31:57 <McCool_> ml: example TD for HTTP baseline and HTTP SSE
11:32:07 <kaz> i|example|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/195 PR 195 - Example TDs for HTTP Baseline and HTTP SSE profiles|
11:32:09 <Ege> back
11:32:18 <kaz> s/back//
11:38:50 <McCool_> mm: issue with units, should probably use qudt, and I have an example in wot-testing
11:39:55 <McCool_> ... it would also be nice to have an easy way to get the "renderable unit"
11:42:01 <McCool_> ml: will create an issue for that: issue #196
11:42:27 <McCool_> subtopic: PR #194
11:42:43 <kaz> i|PR #194|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/196 Issue 196 - How to get a renderable unit string?|
11:43:07 <McCool_> ml: adopting proposed language for 3xx errors, that we don't treat them in any special way; are HTTP protocol internal
11:43:15 <kaz> i|adopting|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/194 PR 194 - Adopting proposed language from https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/151|
11:43:31 <McCool_> ... but adds assertions that Thing will not emit 3xx errors
11:45:20 <McCool_> mm: suggest we merge, but raise issues if there is any reason we need to use 3xx
11:46:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:46:08 <McCool_> ml: also a lot of issues with id duplicates...
11:46:36 <McCool_> mm: numbering of ids is also a pain.  But please please don't change now, need to merge my PR first, then we can fix
11:47:13 <McCool_> ml: ok, will merge
11:47:25 <McCool_> ml: (merges PR #194)
11:47:33 <McCool_> subtopic: PR #192
11:47:55 <McCool_> ml: this is for webhooks; not done, but a complete section now
11:48:30 <McCool_> ... be aware there are some whitespace changes but can turn this off in the diff
11:49:59 <McCool_> mm: typo, SEE should be SSE
11:52:32 <McCool_> mm: should perhaps expand what is meant by "scalable", i.e. "can support devices that can disconnect between sending events"
11:52:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:52:55 <McCool_> ml: still work to do, mentioned in editor's notes
11:53:59 <McCool_> mm: if we merge, I can fix up the assertion markup...
11:54:02 <kaz> i|this is for w|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/192 PR 192 - Webhook HTTP profile|
11:54:14 <McCool_> ml: ok to merge if we agree this is not the final version
11:54:46 <McCool_> mm: I am personally fine with merging, ed notes make it clear it is not done
11:55:11 <McCool_> seb: however another issue is the use of "notify", which we don't have in the TD
11:55:24 <McCool_> ... would at the very least be at-risk, need implementations
11:56:35 <McCool_> mm: markup has to be done for other issues
11:56:49 <McCool_> ml: I can also commit to an implementation
11:56:55 <McCool_> seb: so we need one more
11:58:51 <McCool_> mm: I know of devices I want to "describe" that do use webhooks, and that would give us a second "implementation"
11:59:18 <McCool_> ml: is a conflict
11:59:34 <McCool_> mm: how about we agree you can merge after fixing the conflicts, and also the typo
12:00:23 <kaz> [adjourned]
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12:45:31 <mlagally> q?
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